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[–] 62 points 4 months ago (57 children)
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    Industry standard thinks that nato, the organization, is supporting Israel. While many nato countries do, its disingenuous to say "nato", but that's how they frame it

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (53 children)

    False equivalence, but yes. Because nato isn't the sole reason Israel is able to commit genocide

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (35 children)

    No, its just because i know Israel support isn't just in a vacuum. There is a lot that makes that war machine tick. Including other countries that dont embargo them, like Russia and China. There is nuance you are either ignorant of, or being ignored on purpose, to push an agenda

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  • [–] [S] -3 points 4 months ago (34 children)

    What rifle is the IDF soldier holding in the video?

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (33 children)

    What food is the soldier eating? Israel imports a lot of food from russia. What building does the soldier sleep in? Israel imports a lot of metal from russia.

    That's the problem with your argument. Yes, I agree, a lot of nato countries are enabling the genocide, but to state it as if nato is orchestrating it, is disingenuous. Individual countries who happen to be part of nato are enabling the genocide, but many countries who aren't a part of nato are also contributing to the genocide.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (22 children)

    China and russia support for isrsel is fisgusting too but the majority of support allowing israel to commit grnocides comes from the west

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (21 children)

    Yup, no arguments there. But to solely blame a handful of countries is disingenuous

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (20 children)

    Funny coming from a person minimizing the west involvement

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (19 children)

    Literally im not? Point to me where I said the west isn't enabling this.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (18 children)

    Nato is made of the strongest western militaries.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (17 children)

    Yes? And more kids drown in pools when nick cage stars in a movie. Correlation does not equal causation

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (16 children)

    Nato and israel cooperation is not a secret.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (15 children)

    Kay? Russia Israeli cooperation is not a secret.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (14 children)

    Just because i participated in ml community you think I am pro Russia? Yes Russia and Israeli cooperation is not a secret and it is disgusting and Russia is the aggressor in Ukraine

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (13 children)

    I never said you were lol. Funny you took offense to that. See how i didn't say "BRICS" is supporting the Israel genocide, you understand how there is a distinction to be had between organizations and their participants?

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    We have established that, Israel and nato have worked together, as have many other countries. NATO isn't supplying weapons to Israel some nato countries are. If you want to go that way, just say the entirety of the UN is supporting the genocide, is that better?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (8 children)

    Your comment ignore that the whole military cooperation's and armament are based on Nato frameworks . Supplying weapons is not the only way to back a country either. What we established before show that Nato is backing Israel with military training, intels and "security" arrangement with the biggest aggressor in the region

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Weapons is not the only way to back a country either

    Yes! I know I've been saying that all along finally glad to have you on the same page!

    Just because nato countries use logistics that nato uses doesn't mean that NATO is responsible.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (6 children)

    Didn't you have a problem with the term nato backed zionists? I already show you that military and defense cooperation with Israel happened under the umbrella of the NATO organization making nato the organization a backer of the zionist state of israel

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is "backing" is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the "entire" onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn't just have to be weapons!

    So, many countries support the genocide. It's not "nato" only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for.

    Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it's just as incorrect to say "nato". Say something like "most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people".

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel

    Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing

    So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only

    But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism

    Why not say UN supports the genocide?

    Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions?

    Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia.

    No it is not silly

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Is Russia giving Israel free McDonalds?

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Is russia embargoing Israel? Like every country needs to embargo Israel. That's my point. Why this race to the bottom with you?

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Is every country not embargoing the Houthis "backing them"?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (4 children)

    Oh shit, does Rashad know that?

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)
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    Right, so the houthis aren't recognized as the official representatives of Yemen. Thanks

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (15 children)

    Nato is the major reason why isrsel is sble to commit genocide

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    No. Many western countries are the reason, not nato

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    The strongest western military countries are members of Nato

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    Yes, and correlation does not equal causation. Turkiye is part of nato, last i recall they aren't buddy buddy with Israel

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (7 children)

    Turkiye never proptected palestinians

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Backing Hamas, and stopping trade with Israel isn't helping Palestinians?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (5 children)

    Hamas weapons comes for Iran not Turkiye. It did not stop trading with israel either . They just make it less obvious with loopholes

    https://www.turkishminute.com/2026/01/30/israel-imported-924-mln-in-goods-from-turkey-in-2025/

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    Kay? And Turkiye, on the international stage is also voicing support for Palestine, and mostly cancelled trade with israel (thank you for your source)and called it a genocide a while ago.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Also false. Turkey is trading with Israel like normal under a simple export rebrand.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Fine, let's say they are trading as per normal to make you happy. Then, your argument is trading with Israel, yes so many countries are. They are all guilty of supporting the genocide. BRICS is supporting the genocide. Make sure you say NATO/BRICS backed zionists on your next biased headline ok?

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    China has banned export of their drones to Israel because Israel is using them to commit genocide.

    Meanwhile Turkey is selling 27.000 bombs to Israel

    Only India is selling weapons to Israel but certainly not for free.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Interestingly, to me, Israel exists directly after the events of WW2 because of said members and Stalin's Russia, all of whom did not care one bit about the region's current inhabitants but didn't want to accept millions of Jews into their countries.

    NATO was formed later on as a check to the USSR, which placed Israel in the first world because of pro capitalism interests. That's neither here nor there, though, as Netanyahu has had very a positive relationship with Putin (with it decreasing a little recently after the attacks on ally Iran). Who do you think sells Israel the most oil?

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