▲ 575 ▼ Data centers emitting more CO2 than thought: study (japantoday.com) submitted 4 months ago by sanitation@lemmy.today to c/technology@lemmy.world 56 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] dan@upvote.au 12 points 4 months ago* (4 children) And I would be interested on how they are referbing the equipment and selling for a profit My understanding is that an e-waste recycling company is contracted to take all the old equipment. The original company can say they've recycled it, record it as such, and doesn't care what's done with the equipment after that - whether that be reselling it, recycling it, whatever. The e-waste company is the one that handles finding the useful stuff and refurbishing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (2 children) The big issue is that there's no risk and hardly any cost to the landfill, while there's a bit of work and thinking required for reuse, with not much more benefit than that it's doing the right thing. And you don't get to become a capitalist overlord for doing the right thing. It's high time that tax codes and regulation make dumping e-waste and unsorted trash extremely expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* Yeah, that's mostly a regulation/legal incentives situation, combined with lack of education on the side of the execs. It is possible to sell devices as "defective", even if they aren't defective. That way you don't have warranty or other legal obligations. Similar story with the "Scrap the whole device for data privacy reasons". That's not a thing. Scrapping the storage media, sure, totally. Scrapping the mainboard, case and power supply? That's crap. But the main issue is that there's no incentive for companies to reuse devices versus scrapping them. So they scrap the whole thing without regards to anything else, because it's a single decision that requires no further thought und it's cheap enough that it doesn't matter. If they'd have to pay for full recycling cost, so the cost for actually turning 100% of the device back into usable raw components, then they will instantly start giving those away for free. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dan@upvote.au 12 points 4 months ago* (4 children) And I would be interested on how they are referbing the equipment and selling for a profit My understanding is that an e-waste recycling company is contracted to take all the old equipment. The original company can say they've recycled it, record it as such, and doesn't care what's done with the equipment after that - whether that be reselling it, recycling it, whatever. The e-waste company is the one that handles finding the useful stuff and refurbishing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (2 children) The big issue is that there's no risk and hardly any cost to the landfill, while there's a bit of work and thinking required for reuse, with not much more benefit than that it's doing the right thing. And you don't get to become a capitalist overlord for doing the right thing. It's high time that tax codes and regulation make dumping e-waste and unsorted trash extremely expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* Yeah, that's mostly a regulation/legal incentives situation, combined with lack of education on the side of the execs. It is possible to sell devices as "defective", even if they aren't defective. That way you don't have warranty or other legal obligations. Similar story with the "Scrap the whole device for data privacy reasons". That's not a thing. Scrapping the storage media, sure, totally. Scrapping the mainboard, case and power supply? That's crap. But the main issue is that there's no incentive for companies to reuse devices versus scrapping them. So they scrap the whole thing without regards to anything else, because it's a single decision that requires no further thought und it's cheap enough that it doesn't matter. If they'd have to pay for full recycling cost, so the cost for actually turning 100% of the device back into usable raw components, then they will instantly start giving those away for free. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (2 children) The big issue is that there's no risk and hardly any cost to the landfill, while there's a bit of work and thinking required for reuse, with not much more benefit than that it's doing the right thing. And you don't get to become a capitalist overlord for doing the right thing. It's high time that tax codes and regulation make dumping e-waste and unsorted trash extremely expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* Yeah, that's mostly a regulation/legal incentives situation, combined with lack of education on the side of the execs. It is possible to sell devices as "defective", even if they aren't defective. That way you don't have warranty or other legal obligations. Similar story with the "Scrap the whole device for data privacy reasons". That's not a thing. Scrapping the storage media, sure, totally. Scrapping the mainboard, case and power supply? That's crap. But the main issue is that there's no incentive for companies to reuse devices versus scrapping them. So they scrap the whole thing without regards to anything else, because it's a single decision that requires no further thought und it's cheap enough that it doesn't matter. If they'd have to pay for full recycling cost, so the cost for actually turning 100% of the device back into usable raw components, then they will instantly start giving those away for free. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (2 children) The big issue is that there's no risk and hardly any cost to the landfill, while there's a bit of work and thinking required for reuse, with not much more benefit than that it's doing the right thing. And you don't get to become a capitalist overlord for doing the right thing. It's high time that tax codes and regulation make dumping e-waste and unsorted trash extremely expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* Yeah, that's mostly a regulation/legal incentives situation, combined with lack of education on the side of the execs. It is possible to sell devices as "defective", even if they aren't defective. That way you don't have warranty or other legal obligations. Similar story with the "Scrap the whole device for data privacy reasons". That's not a thing. Scrapping the storage media, sure, totally. Scrapping the mainboard, case and power supply? That's crap. But the main issue is that there's no incentive for companies to reuse devices versus scrapping them. So they scrap the whole thing without regards to anything else, because it's a single decision that requires no further thought und it's cheap enough that it doesn't matter. If they'd have to pay for full recycling cost, so the cost for actually turning 100% of the device back into usable raw components, then they will instantly start giving those away for free. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* Yeah, that's mostly a regulation/legal incentives situation, combined with lack of education on the side of the execs. It is possible to sell devices as "defective", even if they aren't defective. That way you don't have warranty or other legal obligations. Similar story with the "Scrap the whole device for data privacy reasons". That's not a thing. Scrapping the storage media, sure, totally. Scrapping the mainboard, case and power supply? That's crap. But the main issue is that there's no incentive for companies to reuse devices versus scrapping them. So they scrap the whole thing without regards to anything else, because it's a single decision that requires no further thought und it's cheap enough that it doesn't matter. If they'd have to pay for full recycling cost, so the cost for actually turning 100% of the device back into usable raw components, then they will instantly start giving those away for free. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* Yeah, that's mostly a regulation/legal incentives situation, combined with lack of education on the side of the execs. It is possible to sell devices as "defective", even if they aren't defective. That way you don't have warranty or other legal obligations. Similar story with the "Scrap the whole device for data privacy reasons". That's not a thing. Scrapping the storage media, sure, totally. Scrapping the mainboard, case and power supply? That's crap. But the main issue is that there's no incentive for companies to reuse devices versus scrapping them. So they scrap the whole thing without regards to anything else, because it's a single decision that requires no further thought und it's cheap enough that it doesn't matter. If they'd have to pay for full recycling cost, so the cost for actually turning 100% of the device back into usable raw components, then they will instantly start giving those away for free. permalink fedilink source parent