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[–] 5 points 4 months ago (34 children)

It doesnt matter if they paid for it, if the results end up being true. What I am looking for is criticism of the methods that invalidate the results. Are there any?

Counter point, "fat makes you fat," "sugar is necessary for a good diet," "fluoride in drinking water improves tooth health," "leaded gasoline is harmless," "leaded paint is safe," etc. Many of these were held "scientifically true" for years and had plenty of "peer-reviewed" science behind that assertion.

Except it wasn't really peer-reviewed. And it was never scientifically proven. Despite the hundreds of research papers that all "passed" peer review.

That's why researchers now have to declare their financial sponsorships in honest science journals, because it automatically means whatever results they're claiming should not be trusted until peers without any financial incentive review the findings. This claim has not been reviewed in that way, so this assertion has the same value as a random lemmy comment.

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  • [–] 56 points 4 months ago (10 children)
  • [+] -16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

    I'll have to find the link but flouride in drinking water has been shown to do little, if anything, to affect tooth decay. It also isn't harmful to our health in concentrations found in tap water. More of a neutral thing than the "flOuRidE Is goNnA cAlCifY yoUr PeeNer GlAnD" that usually gets associated with people saying flouride doesn't work. Idk what side of that argument the person you responded to is on but it's not entirely unfounded

    Edit: I had it wrong. It's not that flouride in our water isn't helpful, it's just that topical flouride in things like toothpaste is more helpful, so in places where flouride is available in topical products, you won't see much of a benefit from it.

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    My buddy moved to Oregon where they don’t add fluoride to the water, and recently saw a dentist. The dentist could immediately tell he was from out of state and advised him he’d have to add supplementary fluoride rinses to his dental hygiene regimen to compensate.

    I thought that was pretty cool the dentist could eyeball how impactful fluoride in the drinking water was.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    They removed flouride from the water in the backwards antiscience hick province er I mean Alberta and now the rates of oral health issues in kids is much higher

    Theres direct evidence that morons choose to ignore

    Theyre a simple folk, people of the land

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    At a time where rural dental care is poor to nonexistent and dental care is usually not covered under health insurance we shouldn't be promoting MORE tooth decay.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I edited my comment and straight up said I had it wrong. You're getting upset with the wrong person. Use topical flouride, it works so well that it obscures the benefits of flouride in water. If you're not gonna use flouridated toothpaste or mouth rinses, then flouridated water is better than nothing

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    it gets worst , since people also buy into the flouride free toothpaste, usually with or without nHA, and what a surprise the people in the reviews for those toothpaste ends up having bad teeth and still cavities. the people reporting thier "teeth or whiter or fresher attributes to it being nHA or flouride free, but dont account for the amount abrasives and whitening agents in these toothpaste, and since its not really standardized, since theres many different toothpastes flouride free made by different companies, people have reported allergies to it(ulcers or chelitis)

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  • [+] -20 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Call me the Aluminium mining industry the way I sneak fluoride into places it may or may not belong depending entirely on your trust of government authorities in capitalism.

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I actually have you tagged as aluminum mining idiot, and I was wondering why.

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  • [+] -6 points 4 months ago

    Yeah, idiot spreading little known history that is backed by every single historian.

    It happened. Whether or not you think it was a good thing depends on whether you believe the 1950s US government were corrupt or not. You know, the government that hunted down nazis... to recruit into its own ranks and was bribed into allowing leaded gasoline and sugar industries to do whatever they wanted to the American public while also giving black men syphillis and refusing to treat them while directly lying to them in order to study its effects.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (18 children)

    Flouride is good for your teeth buddy.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (17 children)

    It sure is, in concentrations 100-1,000x what is found in drinking water, and when applied topically, not swallowed.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (14 children)
  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    I drink plenty of filtered water, like most Americans, which removes the fluoride.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    Ah yes, Americans, the epitome of health. One could never guess that you dont drink fluoride, amazing.

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    Americans are pretty much the only ones with Fluoridated water. It's banned in all civilized countries.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    You have no idea what you are talking about. I bet you also think travel to Antarctica is banned so no one discovers the ice wall around the flat earth.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Which part are you having trouble with little kiddo? Any google search will support my facts.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (4 children)

    One notes you didn't take the time or trouble to actually link any, though.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    'Banned in all civilised countries' ... 'Water fluoridation is considered very common in the United States, Canada, Ireland, Chile and Australia where over 50% of the population drinks fluoridated water.'

    So, as the link you provided demonstrates, it is time to let go of the conspiracy bullshit you have been fed on YouTube.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago*

    NZ chiming in here. Our right-wing dipshits copying the rolling US-fustercluck are proposing to stop flouridating our drinking water.

    I don't have a career about this argument but thought your 'civilised countries' claim was a bit hyperbolic

    edit However, I love the thought you've put into your username and instance!

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Its not banned in Canada but I guess were not civilized compared to you hot shots down there with your super awesome federal government and big clubs of racist jingoist white boys and boy those Epstein files you guys handled those child rapists something fierce

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    At the time people thought fats made you fat (calories in and out still matter though). Knowledge and our understanding of nature advances, it doesn't mean there was some grand conspiracy. People 50 years from now may say "I can't believe those fools legalized pot."

    Just because someone paid for something doesn't automatically discount it.

    Except it wasn’t really peer-reviewed.

    It was. The editorial board appoints reviewers.

    https://academic.oup.com/ijnp/article/29/1/pyaf080/8423597

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)