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Update: My landlord served me a 3 day notice to cure violation or move out over keeping my window open. It's not on my lease. It's not a violation. (lemmy.ml)
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[–] 33 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (22 children)

Do you often feel like everyone is against you no matter where you go?

It's hot out, really hot out, and you are sharing an ac. Two issues here. Humidity destroys houses and it is not good if the AC is pumping full time.

If you're concerned about your cats, investigate installing a cat door in the window. See link for example. Discuss it with the landlord first so you don't waste money.

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  • [+] -6 points 4 months ago* (14 children)

    Do you often feel like everyone is against you no matter where you go?

    Do you always respond to threads where people are venting and need advice by responding like that when their circumstances are less than ideal?

    They explained that their concern is with COVID/shared ventilation and it being way too cold. I respect it. Clearly you don't, or you didn't read the thread before being insensitive to OP.

    Have you considered that OP rents the space and has rights associated with that and did you check to make sure OP closes the vents or is able to, before suggesting that OP is just seeking to be victim about everything?

    It’s hot out, really hot out, and you are sharing an ac. Two issues here. Humidity destroys houses.

    If there is no evidence of humidity damage, there is no problem.

    and it is not good if the AC is pumping full time.

    They can have OP manage shutting/blocking the vents or find a way to do it themselves, for example. That's a reasonable compromise compared to a 3 day notice...

    If you’re concerned about your cats, investigate installing a cat door in the window. See link for example. Discuss it with the landlord first so you don’t waste money.

    Helpful suggestion, to be fair.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    High humidity causes mold and physically damages indoor surfaces. You may not see it until it's too late. That's a big deal, especially if you don't own the house and have go deal with the repercussions. We're talking very expensive and timely repairs.

    I believe both parties are handling this poorly or OP escalated it to what it is now.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    High humidity causes mold and physically damages indoor surfaces. You may not see it until it’s too late. That’s a big deal, especially if you don’t own the house and have go deal with the repercussions. We’re talking very expensive and timely repairs.

    You are assuming that OP's room gets humid with the vents open and blowing into it...

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    When hot and cold air mix, moisture starts accumulating on the surfaces. After that, mold will start taking root and then it's nearly too late.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (8 children)

    Did you consider asking OP if moisture was accumulating before accusing them of negligence?

    I am definitely a layman, but the pressure differential would likely be pushing out if air was blowing into the room. Exception would be in high wind outdoor conditions.

    If there is no obvious moisture buildup or, as I put it earlier, evidence of humidity damage, there is no problem.

    If OP wants the window open and vents blocked, they can run a dehumidifier when they close their window during higher humidity periods of the night/day (to prevent any damage). You could've inquired about what the vents looked like and gave that advice in addition to helping them, if necessary, to provide solutions to block the vent or otherwise help them to keep their window open and minimize damage. OP lives in a fairly dry climate, River Side county, CA, I argue damage is unlikely to occur from having the window open.

    Take the feedback. You were not sensitive to somebody seeking support.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Dehumidifier and AC is a massive waste of power and generally doesnt do anything, and the hot/cold difference creates a vortex pulling in hot and expelling cold.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Dehumidifier and AC is a massive waste of power and generally doesnt do anything

    If there is any humidity built up in the room, running it could be a defense if damage is argued by their landlord.

    Also, I highly doubt even if the intake vent were open that it would successfully pull a significant amount of hot air in and cause humidity damage at any meaningful rate in OP's climate in California.

    I'm on the side of letting people keep their windows open, as long as there isn't damage. If the landlord is afraid of damage, they can raise their concerns and work with OP to formulate solutions instead of physically shutting their window from the outside and escalating this the way they did.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I'm the last person to support landlords, but a dehumidifier is essentially a heat pump, whereas an ac is a heat pump in reverse - both arent 100% efficient though, and so are using power to remove heat, then power to create heat is at best wasted power.

    That being said I can't imagine op would even be able to survive with a heat pump warming their place in this weather anyways.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Sucks for the landlord's power bill, but the people who commented here can do better. Sorry to lump you in with them. I wouldn't want a landlord micromanaging my window use by shutting it themselves and demanding I keep it shut, especially if I had some valid reasons.

    I suggested a dehumidifier because damage/mold was brought up, definitely wouldn't be very viable as you suggest (especially in regards to temperature). Thanks for keeping it grounded and fair, and you are right that hot air would be pulled in, but I'm not too sure about that having a major effect to the point of very expensive damage or major effects on power, especially if OP's door is shut and considering other factors, such as climate, room size, and it being a single window.

    Some of the arguments here in the larger thread do make sense, pulling in hot air and another commenter suggesting that it would cause an effect across the house, pulling outside air from other cracks and openings and increasing humidity/temp throughout the building, but I feel that the effect on the house/system is minimal if it's a single window in a small room.

    I have a weather app (Breezy Weather) that shows me a humidity graph, that could be helpful for OP if they are reading this.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    What magic pressure differential are you referring to? A/C recirculates indoor air and has slightly positive rooms and slightly negative rooms, but will always be net ~1ATM of pressure. If his room has slightly positive pressure and he opens the window, then guess what, hot humid air is being pulling into the house in other people's rooms, hallways, bathrooms. This would also explain why he doesn't experience the issues it would cause.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    It seems like they are living in a closet-sized room. Do you know for a fact there is even an intake vent and that OP doesn't block it? You have no idea what the situation is. I live in a significantly more humid climate and A/Cs are never installed or maintained properly, even in some schools. Hot and humid air will only be true at some points of the day for OP, who lives in California.

    The only reason we are even talking about humidity damage is because the person who responded to OP immediately took the landlord's side and loosely accused OP of feeling that everyone is against them right off the bat.

    They want their window open, we should tell them their rights, help them understand the risks and potential mitigation strategies, help them formulate a defense... most people have zero issues doing what they want as long as they aren't causing damage. Opening a window is reasonable because the A/C is too cold for them.

    If you look at OP's previous thread, their landlord seems fairly unreasonable, even considering we are getting a one-sided account of events.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I don't have to know a single one of those details, because I know for a fact that AC does not create a magic pressure differential within a house relative to the outside that could possibly negate hot humid air intrusion. That is your assumption, not mine. When the window is open the temperature differential across the opening with cause convention (mixing of the air). If his room actually is positively pressured enough relative to other rooms, then he is causing hot humid air to be pulling interior at other locations around the house.

    I have sympathy for OP, but in 90F, that sucks for whoever is paying for the AC.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    So, now the argument is shifting, we care about the landlord's power bill. We care about the landlord's rights, we care about the landlord's property like it's our job (worrying about potential, speculative damage), but the second it comes time to care for OP in a thread where they are seeking support? That doesn't seem to be what happened, based on the responses here.

    A/Cs do take care of humidity, I doubt very expensive damage could be caused from a small, closet-sized room from a single window - especially if OP closed the window for periods of high humidity conditions.. OP could agree to be held responsible for damage, they might have already done so in their rental agreement/etc.

    Let me put OP and their landlord on separate sides of a scale, do I care more about the person struggling who just wants to keep their window open for fresh air (and a number of other valid reasons) or the person who could easily just tolerate a tenant having a single window being open in a small room for most of the day in California? The answer is easily the person in distress, who should be able to own and afford their own home and live a dignified life.

    You said it yourself, you sympathize with OP. Feeling bad for them isn't the same as caring for them and understanding that they experienced trauma from their landlord's actions. The people in this thread added to that trauma.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    They explained that their concern is with COVID/shared ventilation and it being way too cold.

    If they were concerned with shared ventilation why move there in the first place? Also if it's "too cold" then why are they making the argument that they can just "shut the vent in the room" in order to appease the landlord for having the window open? They could shut the vent and keep the window closed to keep it warmer in the room.

    If you want to have sympathy for people struggling with housing and high expenses, what about the rest of the people living there that have to pay money they don't have in order to cool the entire neighborhood? Your empathy shouldn't only apply to whomever tells you their sob story first.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    If they were concerned with shared ventilation why move there in the first place?

    OP was pretty clear in their past posts that there is nothing affordable in their area. They are facing housing insecurity. We have no idea of their situation unless OP shared more details in past postings. I checked the post from today and their past post. They may have physical or mental health problems, employment issues, etc. This all impacts one's ability to work and make money to afford somewhere to live, and I think everybody knows that California is an extremely expensive area to live in.

    If the landlord was concerned about the electricity bill, why didn't they include a term in the lease/rental agreement to keep the window shut when the A/C is on? OP even suggested to their landlord to raise their rate because they keep their window open and they refused and instead took the actions that OP described in this thread, in addition to forcibly shutting OP's window from the outside.

    Also if it’s “too cold” then why are they making the argument that they can just “shut the vent in the room” in order to appease the landlord for having the window open? They could shut the vent and keep the window closed to keep it warmer in the room.

    I'm of the opinion that tenants should have thermostats or some form of temperature control. Shutting the vent and keeping the window closed doesn't sound ideal in the summer there, with today being a high of low-mid 90s (20-25% humidity).

    They have cats that need to go out to live a life outside of the closet-sized room OP currently stays in. OP has a large litterbox that needs ventilation. I am an advocate for responsible pet ownership and I have a hard time not saying to people that outdoor cats should be indoor cats for various important reasons like the disruption that cats cause to the ecosystem, but when I see a thread like this with a pressing issue (losing their housing), my mind goes to triage. How can we support OP? We can inform them of their rights, use this opportunity to educate and inform them, and most importantly support them emotionally.

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  • [+] [S] -31 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    hey how about you go fuck yourself with your snide chud attitude

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I was on the fence until I saw this outburst. Now I'm pretty sure you're a shitty tenant who's about to get evicted. You and the landlord both are probably imperfect, and I'm not really gonna bother with too many details since I think you posted more for validation than for advice, but I think your landlord has a slam dunk case if he finds your account here with posts and comments. It could be too late, but your best bet is to delete your account, lawyer up, and stfu online about this before it builds their case against you. The judge doesn't give a shit about you, he cares about the property owner's property and possibly whether you're a disruption to other tenants.

    I hope you figure it out. Good luck.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    You change your mind on a matter of contract law based on how I respond to someone who literally only wrote that first line at the time I responded, then edited the entire rest of their comment in.

    You're not a serious person and the law isn't as fickle and stupid as you are. This is a serious issue and situation and you're here purely for a infantile social pile on. Touch grass.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    You're not helping if you say:

    Now I’m pretty sure you’re a shitty tenant who’s about to get evicted. You and the landlord both are probably imperfect, and I’m not really gonna bother with too many details since I think you posted more for validation than for advice, but I think your landlord has a slam dunk case if he finds your account here with posts and comments.

    So, you said before that don't care about the details, yet now you say "I suspect that you’re likely leaving out significant details."

    Doubting OP isn't helping them or making their situation any better. It's not helping them be a better tenant or to help them to realistically deal with their current situation and achieve a favorable outcome for both parties.

    If their landlord can't even send a rental agreement in a legible, clear copy, and is in good faith somehow - how could they find this post? I highly doubt that the landlord could even hire a lawyer for this that could find this post for them. Even tech-savvy people don't know about the fediverse.

    You are telling OP to cope in a broken system, saying they are emotionally immature, telling them to go to therapy (which they very likely can't afford), you are loosely saying they are seeking out victimhood and bad experiences, you are telling them to introspect when they clearly are facing abuse and some level of their violation of their rights as a tenant...

    Your attitude and choices are probably the cause of most of your challenges here, and you’re really not bothering to have an open mind to any answer that isn’t wildly supportive of your side.

    Sometimes, people go their entire lives facing discrimination and a complete isolation from the people around them, even the people they pay to help them.

    If I were you, I'd choose to not be someone who discriminates against them and takes the side of somebody who is being likely being completely unreasonable (unwilling to increase rate as a compromise to window being open) and abusing a (likely) vulnerable person as a power play.

    I choose to believe people who say they've faced stigma, discrimination, abuse, bad experiences, and every time I am surprised to see indicators that they were in fact telling the truth. They may have even left out details. Who cares if they exaggerated a few points, or weren't as perfect as they claim to have been. Humans don't need to be perfect to be deserving of kindness, care, and empathy or to be allowed the dignity to live their lives and thrive.

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