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“An Attack on All of Us”: Labor Rallies at Courthouse for the Minnesota 15 (workdaymagazine.org)
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[–] [S] 21 points 4 months ago (74 children)

No one was quoted in the article as saying that this would stop Trump. Are you saying it's a bad thing that a community is standing up against this injury to the working class?

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 4 months ago (62 children)

    Ok, so what? The alternative is to accept that quietly. Would that be better?

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  • [+] 1 point 4 months ago (14 children)
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  • [–] [S] 5 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    A troll I can believe, but I have a hard time believing that they're a paid propagandist. Lemmy is small enough that I doubt they're a government actor. Fedjacketing without evidence is bad too

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Homie, I was in the thick of it. I saw the violence. I also saw thousands of people standing up, and thousands more stand up after it was a proveable threat to the lives of white citizens for doing so.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    I bet you felt real tough being in a mob

    Homie, collective action is the only way out of this. We aren't going to beat fascists by being unorganized.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Wrong, our mass strike on Jan 23 resulted in ICE presence dropping from over 3000 fascists to less than 300.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    We're teaching people in other cities how we resisted, so they can push ICE out of their communities too.

    You really dont know how this works

    Clearly you don't know what's happening.

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (47 children)

    Reread my comment, if you people want to slowly get shipped off to prison one by one, be my guest. but your efforts will amount to nothing if the persons with actually power don't care about what you have to say, your a gaggle of arragent ostriches that think they're too good to pull their head out of the sand. I think you know damn well what I'm suggesting to you really but we all know you'd never go that far.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 4 months ago (46 children)

    What I'm gathering is that it's pointless to act unless you always win. I can tell you with absolute certainty that action is always better than inaction. They already want to ship us all off to concentration camps, so any resistance is better than falling in line.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 4 months ago* (44 children)

    Please tell me, one of the activists that was a part of the Minneapolis anti-ICE movement and an experienced union organizer, more about how not falling in line is actually falling in line.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 4 months ago (42 children)

    I got tear gassed at Whipple, while stopping ice vehicles from leaving.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 4 months ago (40 children)

    Actually no, we stopped all vehicles from entering and leaving for the entire duration of the action.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 4 months ago (38 children)

    So it's only worth fighting if you're able to stop things from happening? Sounds like you're an armchair activist that always finds a reason to dodge participation. Criticize us all you want, we'll be in the streets. You're welcome to join at any time. Hell, come to the next worker assembly and tell us your proposal.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 4 months ago (36 children)

    I have evidence of my activism. Do you?

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 4 months ago (34 children)

    Canadian companies are profiting on this racist attack against the working class. You can still be in the streets via international solidarity. Sounds more like you're interested in smug superiority rather than actually fighting for the working class.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 4 months ago (32 children)

    My point is that you're an armchair activist that thinks you know better than the people resisting fascism. You carry false consciousness and choose to complain and denigrate the people doing the work you refuse to do.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 4 months ago* (30 children)

    Lol I'm an Anarchist. I was in DAMN, the group these 15 were a part of. I know some of those 15 personally. I went to Labor Notes with some of them.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 4 months ago (28 children)

    Better than joining an imperialist organization dedicated to upholding nationalism and colonialism.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 4 months ago (26 children)

    The Canadian army is an imperialist organization too. Every military is.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 4 months ago (24 children)

    it's coming up surprisingly slim

    Sure it is, if you don't count the military genociding indigenous peoples. Every indigenous nation pushed out is a different culture, so Canada has committed multiple genocides on their own soil. Genocides that were overt until the 70s with the closure of the last residential school. Genocides that continue to this day with systemic racism towards indigenous people and the refusal to return stolen land.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 4 months ago (22 children)

    "whaaaa, I don't like it when the evil acts of my country are pointed out at me!!1! Plus the evil things another country did were worse so it's actually not evil"

    Grow the fuck up.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (20 children)

    I started by asking a question about your thoughts, but sure I'm the one dodging points and avoiding questions. Fine, let's talk. How will joining the Canadian military contribute to international solidarity with the working class people who are fighting against fascism? What should the movement be doing differently?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Id leave this convo, this person is def getting a hard on from riling you up.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I switched to my alt so I can ignore them as soon as I get bored. I'm mostly entertained by this argument actually, it's fun to get trolls upset because they aren't getting people mad

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (13 children)

    You just made a caricature of me now your trying to take the highground, lol. For the record you've complelty move the goal posts on this from what this was originally about.

    Canada is working with other nation of the world through new trade and strengthening defencive agreement with NATO members and other middling states ( not America obv) were fighting fascism by hungering down with the other middle power and me joining the military to physical defend those agreement isn't international solidarity?? These deals help trade flows and midigate the leverage America has has over us in trade (something Iv always hated) how does this not help protect every workers here in Canada and in those nation to some level. Better then getting fucked in the ass by an orange prick

    Take your own advice and Grow the fuck up.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (12 children)

    Your country, and presumably you, are participating in boycotts. That's not a bad start, but that's not really direct action and doesn't answer how specifically you joining the military will directly help people in the US fight fascism. You could be in the streets, disrupting the logistics chain of corporations profiting from ICE. By your own logic, you're just sitting on your hands and are a weak person in the face of authoritarianism.

    You also forgot to talk about what we should be doing differently.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (11 children)

    I'd start hitting there assets, not people deff don't need to do anything like that yet, or frankly ever if you do things right. Vandalism is way easier to get away with and often bloodless if your doing it right. And it hurts billionaire more then if you just luigi'ed some of them. Because they're still alive to feel the pain of loss :D

    Look up what the IRA was doing to Britain after they realize killing brit soldiers just meant they'd send more brit soldiers. Soo as they started bombing key officials investments, they're tune changed real quick.

    I'm not saying you have to go uni-bomber on them either. Even minor vandalism will still affect them.

    (this note out of all of them is the most likely to get me smited but Fuck it, I want you to know what the actual next step is if you ever want to escalate)

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    Glad you brought up radical action. DAMN was erecting hard barricades to completely block ICE from entering or leaving areas, i.e. the day Alex Pretti was murdered people moved a dumpster into the street to prevent ICE from leaving, and set it on fire to prevent it from being moved.

    We were also forming soft barricades with our bodies and homemade shields. We also disrupted the flow of capital towards corporations coordinating with ICE by picketing their distribution centers and turning away truckers.

    I'd argue that these efforts are more important and more impactful than uncoordinated vandalism.

    Other people and groups participated in wakeups, where people violate noise ordinances late at night near the hotels ICE is staying. This did involve the exact type of vandalism you're talking about.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (9 children)

    I woundn't, you didn't effect the decision makers when you did that, you just hit the arm that was built to take those hit and they hit back. My whole point is that your not going far enough and frankly you can organize those destructive elements like you did there into something that will actually hurt these bugmens pocketbooks.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Got it, so instead of meeting the moment in the area we live, we all need to abandon our vulnerable people and vacate the area to commit mass vandalism at the capitol 1200 miles away?

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (7 children)

    See your not listening, ASSETS, the things these people OWN. Your willfully not listen. You don't need to go all the way to the capital to hit things like this. But clearly you just want to win the argument. BTW I'm done here, Iv been waiting for gov paperwork in this stupid office and my number is next. Hopefully you figure things out and don't end up in a jail cell forever or worse over something that wasn't worth it when you could have made it worth it.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    So turning away truckers at distribution centers of collaborator corporations isn't attacking the assets?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    If they can drop it off elsewhere, ye

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    We were preventing truckers from picking up.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    Ok, how much did that cost and how long did it go on for, cuz I'm telling you right now it wasn't the same amount as an emptied office complex getting bomb every other month. And again what your doing doesn't seem to be dissuading them so far.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    This action got Target to stop collaborating, so it clearly worked.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    Ok that's good, who else has this worked with an-- ok I'm tired of this really. This endless "what ifs" and hair splitting isn't constructive when you don't want to listen and I'm tired of keyboarding with you, since you really want to be right, your right, congratulations.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    These are not "what-if" scenarios. These are things that have happened and are currently happening. You clearly don't actually support us, and it's upsetting to you that we're fighting as hard as we can with what little power we have in a manner you don't like.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Da komrade putin will be happy weeth theese commint

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not sure what you're referring to. The MN 15 are starting their hearings soon. The person sentenced to 30yrs for moving zines is not from Minnesota, but their appeal will likely take a while before it's reversed for being an obvious violation of the first amendment

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