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western women rights (lemmy.ml)
submitted 4 months ago by to c/memes@lemmy.ml
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inspired by lemmitors at https://lemmy.ml/post/49343381
any guy in it just for women to wear skimpier clothing should probably be investigated.

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[+] 4 points 4 months ago (12 children)
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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    But what if.. it is? It very much could be, just like nuns clothing.

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  • [–] 29 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Women need the agency to decide for themselves, and not have the decision made for them by men, or the state. The only way any clothing is really oppressive is if it isn't a choice, and in that way "not being allowed to wear" is the same as "being forced to wear". It seems like you are defending the choice being taken from women under the mask of pretending to support the choice being given to them, by pointing to something not even being argued about as the covering mask, like a strawman.

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  • [+] -8 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    If women were choosing to wear hijab with out the cultural, familial or state pressure you’d see women doing exactly that from other parts of the world where Islam isn’t enforcing it, you don’t see that because it’s not a free choice being made, acquiescing to pressure isn’t actually a choice.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago

    With or without culture it is not your decision to make O Enlightened Savior!/s This thread is so full of poorly hidden sexist and racist nonsense that it is sickening. The western world is not the savior of the world, it is it's oppressor, and the oppressor's feigned concern while it eye's those resources of the oppressed licking it's lips, can only be inauthentic from such a position, clean your own house before trying to use the level of cleanness of someone else's house as some kind of excuse.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Wherever you find Muslims in the world, you will find someone wearing hijab. If you punish women for wearing it, you are not better than those who punish them for not wearing it.

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  • [–] -3 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    It’s extremely rare outside of countries that don’t enforce it, the Muslim women I know who still choose to wear hijab are from strict families. I have quite a few Muslim friends, most of whom are women, most of whom are not hijabis and don’t support the practice as public policy and find the pressure to wear it when they go home to be extremely uncomfortable. There’s a reason they feel that way, there’s a reason Muslim women who emigrate tend to stop wearing it, because they were pressured to do so it wasn’t a free choice. Is it 100% obviously no but frankly the exception proves the rule here

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    Do you think it's possible that Muslim émigrés might feel social pressure in their new homes not to wear a hijab? I've heard quite a few women say they wear it for themselves as an expression of their faith. I can't very well discount that possibility. Of course there are all sorts of social and familial pressures (and norms) that we all face. Many of which are largely taken for granted by those affected, even me and you!

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    It is a type of clothing that many women consciously choose and desire to wear. Some countries mandate it, but it is not much less rational than a mandate to cover chest and genitals in christian culture countries.

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