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[–] 10 points 4 months ago (10 children)

Or maybe it's because Peter's tale has a clear lesson about lying too much while Cassandras tale has no clear lesson. Because what's the lesson that even a 5 year old would understand? That telling the truth is useless if nobody listens? That's a bad lesson.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    The lesson that men won’t believe women is a powerful one and one that we still teach our daughters.

    At least other women do.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    The story doesn't say men don't believe her, the story says nobody believes her which includes other women. You're applying a different lesson to the story.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    How many times have rape victims been disbelieved? Women not believed by larger society?

    This is a cautionary tale of patriarchy and going against men.

    Cassandra is cursed to never be believed because she refuses to have sex with Apollo.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    How many times have rape victims been disbelieved?

    Maybe you're not aware but male rape victims are not only believed less than female rape victims but are also usually more stigmatized and blamed for getting raped.

    This is a cautionary tale of patriarchy and going against men.

    Cassandra is cursed to never be believed because she refuses to have sex with Apollo.

    Sounds to me like the moral of the story is to submit to men who lust for you or you will get cursed.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    The patriarchy harms both men and women, boys and girls.

    Men have the power to punish those that go against them because of patriarchy. This includes people of all genders that do so.

    We agree, this is just squabbling about phrasing.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    And now it's far from a lesson you could explain to a five year old which was my original point.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago*

    No, children should be taught, age appropriately, that not all authority figures are trustworthy. That there are scenarios they won’t be believed and what to do about it. They should be taught about the inequalities in our society and that includes how the patriarchy punishes everyone.

    I won’t send my child blind into the world.

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  • [+] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Except the lesson is that regardless of what you do you won't be listened to. In fact if we go exactly by the tale she isn't telling the truth, she's telling truthful prophecies so she literally couldn't prove the statements she knew were true.

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  • [+] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    So the lesson you mentioned is not the one in the story.

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