“No one, whether you’re trans or not, wants the federal government digging through your identifiable patient information and figuring out what they like and don’t like,” Hack said. “It’s an absolute overreach, and people are really scared.”

Asked whether Hack’s priorities were measures he could support, Platner agreed. “Yes, indeed. They most certainly do,” he said.

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  • [–] 36 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    In the year of our lord sweet baby Jesus fucking Christ two thousand and twenty six, how is sport your biggest political concern?

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    There are like 10 trans athletes in the u.s.

    Most are in sports that wouldn't be dependent on gender. Like billiards. Archery.

    Also I saw recently a bonafide xx chromosome woman beat all the men in a strong competition.

    Something a lot of people don't know is that trans women often have partial bottom surgery. Removal of testicles. And they take female hormones.

    They might have male bone structure but they no longer get the male hormones that increase their muscle mass.

    I acknowledge it's a complex issue with different arguments to be had.

    But it's really important to note this is literally a handful of people. A handful.

    And it's not like trans women are beating the cis women at everything.

    They aren't.

    There doesn't really seem to be any advantage beyond what a cis woman with good athletic genes also has.

    Most trans women aren't athletic. So it's not even that they all have this matched advantage.

    Just some

    Just like how some women have it.

    It's not really predicted by being trans, is my point.

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    Accuracy of archery isn't as dependent on arm strength beyond what a trained woman can provide.

    Sure some sports like running should be separated.

    But it's not that many. We can look at scores to determine which sports actually need separated. Instead of assuming they need separated.

    Even billiards and golf is separated. For no biology reason.

    Most separation came about because men wouldn't allow women into their sports so women formed their own.

    Chess, like many male-centric activities has historically excluded women. This is why women are in lower numbers for many professions and hobbies. They arent welcome. The men are hostile to them. It's not easy to stay in a hobby/profession where you aren't respected and everyone gives you the cold shoulder.

    The fact that biological women can and do perform at mens levels proves it's a social exclusion, not a biological one.

    It's kind of why men are lower in numbers in women's hobbies/professions. Except that it isn't necessary exclusion by women but mocking by other men and having their masculinity challenged.

    There are plenty of men who are great at sewing, design, cooking, and even child rearing who are cis hetero men. Only in the last 15 or 20 years has it became more acceptable for men to have baking as a hobby. Before then, cooking was women's work. Most men could barely use a microwave and would brag at their incompetence in the kitchen as an indicator of their masculinity.

    I know it all gets so old so fast but these things still occur. Think of all the men who might be amazing seamstress or clothing designers. Or maybe could come up with new tasty foods to eat. Yet our society says they aren't real men if they venture out into these areas. And often they are mockes mostly by other men but even women are part of the problem and are known to mock men or ask them "are you gay or something?" When they tell you they love knitting in their free time.

    How is knitting related to sexual preferences? I don't know but many people seem to think it is.

    These gender role trends take a long time to change. And take specific interventions to change them. They don't change on their own.

    Gordon Ramsey probably had a big role in changing the baking one. As crazy as that sounds. ( And other male chiefs and cooks on TV. )

    Yeah your point about genetics proves my point.

    Genetic Sex isn't binary in the first place.

    That's why trying to make hard rules based on chromosomes or what genital parts are visible is invalid.

    It's important to remember that all these activities we say are "for men" or "for women". Were invented long long after sexes existed and even 40,000-50,000 years or more after humans evolved into who we are today.

    (estimate based on unknown age of humans).

    I mean chess. Making clothes. Knitting. Archery even.

    How could humans possibly evolve so that one sex is good at those things and the other isn't. ?

    That's just silly. It's much more likely we are all cognitively capable and have similar dexterity with variations in genetics accounting for differences between individuals. Not between sexes.

    Obviously some physical strength differences. Men have upper body strength and women have lower body for carrying babies.

    But that's almost all of the difference there is. Just those related to reproduction.

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    I never said you don't need to be strong. I said women athletes are more than capable of archery. They are. They even currently compete.

    The spatial thing is a myth and does not hold up when tested better.

    However. Men typically have faster reflexes by like 50 ms. Its not a lot but it's consistent.

    There is something important to note about xy abilities.

    Men have a flatter and wider bell curve for pretty much any trait. What this means is that most women ( traits ) score close to the mean compared to men's. (For a given trait).

    You often hear "men have higher iqs". Well they dont but there are more men who have high iqs than women. But. There are also more men with the lowest iqs. (Though you dont hear people bringing that up)

    You get more top athletes. But also more men with incredibly poor physical condition.

    Disorders are more prevalent and genetic errors related to that Y, but you also occasionally get a beneficial error.

    So it's a trade off. A gamble. Being male might result in a little genetic bonus. But it's just as likely you get a handicap.

    And this sort of thing is more than likely a product of the sex chromosomes for men being incomplete xx. So they have a greater chance for a non dominant gene on that Y chromosome to be expressed. It's why men are more prone to color blindness. It's carried on that chromosome. Women usually have a backup on the extra tail on the X that will overwrite the bad recessive one.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variability_hypothesis

    Even if men have higher variability, this is an irrelevant point for their ability to play most sports better than women.

    Because there might be more athletic men. But there are comparable athletic women. It just means that it's more competition for mens teams because more potentials are available.

    It doesn't mean they are better than the female team in ability. Though I acknowledge there are sports that should stay separated. Like track. Basketball.

    It's like. Let's say 500 people in your city are doctors. Good doctors.

    Let's say 40 people in my city are good doctors.

    You can't say your doctors are better than mine just because you have more of them. They all went to med school and are board certified. The number for a given city is irrelevant.

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    Even if trans athletes do have an advantage over cis athletes, why is it the job of politicians to regulate that? There are athletic leagues at every academic level who are supposed to determine what constitutes fair competition and regulate their programs accordingly. Why should federal legislators, who have less expertise than these organizations, be writing their rules for them?

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    Oh, so now it's a safety issue? Alright, well then how far do we take this? Should children be segregated by gender in case the boys accidentally hurt the girls during recess? Should including girls in a pickup game of basketball be considered reckless endangerment? I mean, if professional and academic sports organizations can't be trusted to make these decisions,.why should we trust educators or parents?

    As for breaking records, well, if trans girls/women have such a huge advantage (and what little evidence we do have on the subject indicates they don't), again, why is that the government's job to regulate that instead of the athletic institutions? Why do you want the government dictating the rules surrounding this? You know, some schools let upperclassmen playi on the junior varsity team. Should the government be regulating that as well?

    It comes down to this; if you trust these athletic institutions to make all of these other determinations about fairness and safety, but feel the government needs to mandate their decisions on trans athletes, it doesn't seem like your issue is fairness and safety. It seems like it's trans people.

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    Which is why black women are famously segregated to the black-only events.

    You know, since they have naturally higher testosterone levels than white women.

    And why the Danes are segregated to the Nordic-only events. What with the average height of women in Finland being 6 feet and all.

    It's only fair.

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    Not really, the differences just aren't that large in general. The average black woman has a lower testosterone count than the average man, but a fairly large portion of the spread of black women is still higher than the average to lower end of the spread for men. And even the spread between white men and women has plenty of overlap where there are women with higher testosterone levels than men, and that's just within one specific race.

    Black women have testosterone counts high enough to get them frequently banned from the Olympics. Two time gold medal winner Caster Semenya has been banned since 2019 because her natural testosterone levels are considered too high and "give her an unfair advantage."

    Besides, trans women tend to have lower testosterone counts than cis women, because they take medication that reduces your body's ability to intake testosterone as it takes up the same receptors as estrogen. This means that cis women build muscle more easily than trans women.

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    And Michael Phelps has a condition that causes him to build up lactic acid at half the normal rate, effectively doubling his endurance compared to his competitors. And yet he's allowed to hold the world record for the most gold medals won. Sports have never been about "normal" people.

    And Caster is far from the only black woman to face these kinds of punishments. In fact, not only does the Olympics have a history of racism and sexism against black women, but all three medalists were affected by the ban on Caster that year. Christine Mboma and Beatrice Basilingi were banned in 2021 for their "naturally high testosterone." It's a frequently occurring reason for banning black women from sports. All of them were told they could either take drugs to lower their testosterone, you know, the kind that trans women take, or undergo surgery to reduce their "naturally high testosterone" to "acceptable levels". Understandably, none of them did. Especially not when men and white women don't face the same kind of scrutiny. In fact, historically gender tests have often targeted female athletes of color who don’t conform to typically Western, white ideals of femininity. Serena Williams. Brittney Griner. Indian sprinter Dutee Chand. Taiwanese boxer Lin Yu-Ting. Algerian boxer Imane Khelif. The list never ends, and we haven't even gotten to when the Olympics used to do chromosome testing in the 60s and gave up due to the extremely high number of woman athletes who came up as XY women.

    Also, the European Court of Human Rights later ruled that Caster's ban was discrimination.

    "I was on a world scene, and what made the news was, another gymnast saying that if we painted our skin black maybe we would all win because I had beaten her out of beam medal, and she got upset," she said on the TODAY show. "And that [was] really the news, rather than me winning worlds"

    -Simone Biles, Olympic Gymnast

    Sounds a lot like the criticism levied against trans athletes.

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    One of the most controversial uses of this discovery was as a means for sex verification at the Olympic Games, under a system implemented by the International Olympic Committee in 1992. Athletes with an SRY gene were not permitted to participate as females, although all athletes in whom this was "detected" at the 1996 Summer Olympics were ruled false positives and were not disqualified. Specifically, eight female participants (out of a total of 3387) at these games were found to have the SRY gene. However, after further investigation of their genetic conditions, all these athletes were verified as female and allowed to compete. These athletes were found to have either partial or full androgen insensitivity, despite having an SRY gene, making them externally phenotypically female. In the late 1990s, a number of relevant professional societies in United States called for elimination of gender verification, including the American Medical Association, stating that the method used was uncertain and ineffective.

    They already tried that 30 years ago and it proved ineffective and only led to false positives.

    Various international medical and sports professionals have, since 1986, advocated for the abolition of sex verification in sport, and specifically the Olympics. In 2000, following the 1999 IOC ratification of the 1996 decision to discontinue sex verification, the view was reiterated in the Journal of the American Medical Association; it included commentary that, while the purpose of such tests is to uphold a perceived fairness, the insufficiency of the tests can produce unfair results due to potential inaccuracies and the possibility of both false negatives and false positives. The authors also deemed the tests unfair and discriminatory towards female athletes with disorders of sex development (DSD), whom it felt should be considered as women for the purposes of sport, as "few if any plausible athletic advantages exist". It also considered the implications for female athletes who "fail" a test (either as an error or through unknowingly having a DSD), in their personal lives and future career, as too severe to impose the tests.

    In 2022, the World Medical Association (WMA) demanded the withdrawal of hormone-based regulations, arguing that they discriminate based on gender variation of female athletes. The Association also expressed concerns with physicians treating athletes with high levels of endogenous testosterone when the condition is not pathological.

    Other criticisms are that there is no natural physiological limit imposed on male athletes, including those who have, for example, naturally high testosterone compared to their competitors, and that there are many biological factors that produce sporting advantages but "only those associated with gender are used to exclude or disqualify athletes."

    In a joint statement published several days before the official IOC announcement on genetic testing in March 2026, over 100 human rights and other groups criticized the proposed rule change as "a blunt and discriminatory response that is not supported by science and violates international human rights law".

    Over 100 human rights groups apparently disagree with you on this kind of testing being discriminatory. Also that it's a violation of human rights.

    Edit: I also like how you completely ignored the fact that all these black women were told that if they wanted to compete, they could take the same kinds of drugs that trans women take everyday. It's almost like being trans was never an issue in the first place, since black women apparently have more testosterone than trans women. It's always been about hate, and nothing more.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (8 children)

    Still side-stepping the question. I couldn't possibly care less about what you think is or isn't fair. Why is it so important to you that the Democrats adopt this position? Why should the federal government be regulating this at all? Why not trust athletic associations, who's entire purpose is to facilitate fair competitions for their teams and players, to make this determination on their own?

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    Democrats want to adopt positions that they can win on.

    What evidence do you have, beyond your personal biases, that, "we are going supersede the judgement of independent organizations in order to dictate policies on trans athletes to them," is a winning position?

    It's better to have uniform laws since teams from different schools compete against each other.

    Athletic leagues don't operate on a school-by-school basis. There are county, state, and national leagues that are already setting the rules by which schools compete. The NFHS and NCAA, for example, already made the, "uniform laws," you want. Both organizations have already been forced to change their rules on trans athletes in certain states to accommodate anti-trans legislation, and the NCAA changed their national rules to comply with a (probably unlawful) executive order.

    This is what's so infuriating about your position. You act as though you're just asking for the government to make rules for everyone to follow, but you're actually asking for the government to overrule the rules you don't like.

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    Yeah, and a plurality of the people in that study said they don't want the federal government making the rules for trans athletes:

    In January, a New York Times/Ipsos poll found that 79% of U.S. adults, including 67% of Democrats, think that transgender female athletes should not be allowed to compete in women’s sports. However, Americans are much more closely divided when forced to choose who should be in charge of setting the rules for fair sports participation.

    In this survey, a slim plurality of adults (45%) say that “local school districts and sports associations should set the rules for fair sports participation, not the federal government,” while 42% say “the federal government should ban transgender girls from playing girls’ sports and force them to play on the boys’ team.” (Data for Progress)

    Next time, find an actual analysis of the study instead of letting a right-wing rag like the post tell you the parts you want to hear.

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    Then they can say, "If there is data that proves trans athletes have a competitive advantage, then having them play in the same league as cis athletes would be unfair, but I trust athletic leagues and school districts to make that determination, and not politicians with ideological agendas."

    Like, seriously, this is your argument? The Democrats need to support trans athlete bans, even though a plurality of Americans don't want them to do that, because a Republican might ask a difficult question? Are tou serious?

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    Yeah, where did you think the, "data that proves trans athletes have a competitive advantage," was going to come feom? Or it's just up to science? Like, the abstract concept of science is going to set the rules for sports leagues? Or is there gonna need to be some authority on sports and athletics to enforce those rules? Some sort of athletic association? Anyway, if ypu think you parse words until I get frustrated and drop this, you are deeply underestimating how petty I am.

    (Also, as I pointed out earlier in this thread, what little science there is on trans athletes has determined that transs athletes don't have a competitive advantage,.so I guess you support including them!)

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    Well, this is an excellent example of an independent sports organization using scientific data to make their own determination on what the rules should be around trans athletes. Thank you for admitting I was right, I'm sure that wasn't easy for you.

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    Note that other studies, including meta studies that analyze multiple studies, have concluded that there trans athletes don't appear to be at an advantage, and that their results are, "low confidence," meaning their isn't enough scientific data to make a determination either way. I actually shared the most recent of those studies earlier in this thread, but you ignored it because it didn't conform to your beliefs. Which isn't very scientific.

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    I'm not qualified to answer that, and neither are you, but I don't give a shit because it's a goalpost shift.. IOC is looking at one study, while studies that analyze multiple studies indicate there isn't enough data, but what data there is points to there not being an advantage. I'm also curious as to whether they mean trans women or trans women and cis men when they say, "biological men," have an advantage, but it's neither here nor there because A) you're still cherry picking the data that conforms to your worldview and B) you've very clearly conceded the initial argument that the government should be in charge of this. Anyway, you done yet, or do you still want to be wrong at ne a little longer?

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    There is no expertise in knowing that boys are stronger than girls.

    Every male athlete should be put on estrogen if they want to play co-ed sports. Out of... UwU... fairness.

    Tennis mixed doubles. Rec League volleyball. All of it.

    In fact, I think we should require everyone in the NFL to be on estrogen, just in case someone snuck in.

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    I agree with the idea but it should be up to the institutions to decide, not the federal or state government. I'm sure it would be a contentious issue as some schools would allow it while others wouldn't. But let those institutions spend time and money figuring it out, not the government.

    The only argument they have is that we need to "protect biological females" but even that is performative bull shit since the right doesn't actually care about women like that. The same way they are "pro-life" until the baby is actually born and they strip any kind of welfare benefits or school lunch programs.

    Politicians love this shit cuz they don't have to address actual issues like affordability or taxes etc.

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    males who are transgender.

    You're right, transmen shouldn't play in women's sports. They should play in men's sports.

    Who in their right mind would let this guy compete in women's wrestling?

    Buck Angel

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    Bro literally who cares about sports? They're games, why do we have to keep pretending that they're so important society balances upon them? Jesus Christ just let whoever wants to play the dumb game play the dumb game and stop making me hear about it

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    Really focusing on the important issues there aren't you buddy.

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