“No one, whether you’re trans or not, wants the federal government digging through your identifiable patient information and figuring out what they like and don’t like,” Hack said. “It’s an absolute overreach, and people are really scared.”

Asked whether Hack’s priorities were measures he could support, Platner agreed. “Yes, indeed. They most certainly do,” he said.

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    Democrats want to adopt positions that they can win on.

    What evidence do you have, beyond your personal biases, that, "we are going supersede the judgement of independent organizations in order to dictate policies on trans athletes to them," is a winning position?

    It's better to have uniform laws since teams from different schools compete against each other.

    Athletic leagues don't operate on a school-by-school basis. There are county, state, and national leagues that are already setting the rules by which schools compete. The NFHS and NCAA, for example, already made the, "uniform laws," you want. Both organizations have already been forced to change their rules on trans athletes in certain states to accommodate anti-trans legislation, and the NCAA changed their national rules to comply with a (probably unlawful) executive order.

    This is what's so infuriating about your position. You act as though you're just asking for the government to make rules for everyone to follow, but you're actually asking for the government to overrule the rules you don't like.

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    Yeah, and a plurality of the people in that study said they don't want the federal government making the rules for trans athletes:

    In January, a New York Times/Ipsos poll found that 79% of U.S. adults, including 67% of Democrats, think that transgender female athletes should not be allowed to compete in women’s sports. However, Americans are much more closely divided when forced to choose who should be in charge of setting the rules for fair sports participation.

    In this survey, a slim plurality of adults (45%) say that “local school districts and sports associations should set the rules for fair sports participation, not the federal government,” while 42% say “the federal government should ban transgender girls from playing girls’ sports and force them to play on the boys’ team.” (Data for Progress)

    Next time, find an actual analysis of the study instead of letting a right-wing rag like the post tell you the parts you want to hear.

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    Then they can say, "If there is data that proves trans athletes have a competitive advantage, then having them play in the same league as cis athletes would be unfair, but I trust athletic leagues and school districts to make that determination, and not politicians with ideological agendas."

    Like, seriously, this is your argument? The Democrats need to support trans athlete bans, even though a plurality of Americans don't want them to do that, because a Republican might ask a difficult question? Are tou serious?

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    Yeah, where did you think the, "data that proves trans athletes have a competitive advantage," was going to come feom? Or it's just up to science? Like, the abstract concept of science is going to set the rules for sports leagues? Or is there gonna need to be some authority on sports and athletics to enforce those rules? Some sort of athletic association? Anyway, if ypu think you parse words until I get frustrated and drop this, you are deeply underestimating how petty I am.

    (Also, as I pointed out earlier in this thread, what little science there is on trans athletes has determined that transs athletes don't have a competitive advantage,.so I guess you support including them!)

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    Well, this is an excellent example of an independent sports organization using scientific data to make their own determination on what the rules should be around trans athletes. Thank you for admitting I was right, I'm sure that wasn't easy for you.

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    Note that other studies, including meta studies that analyze multiple studies, have concluded that there trans athletes don't appear to be at an advantage, and that their results are, "low confidence," meaning their isn't enough scientific data to make a determination either way. I actually shared the most recent of those studies earlier in this thread, but you ignored it because it didn't conform to your beliefs. Which isn't very scientific.

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    I'm not qualified to answer that, and neither are you, but I don't give a shit because it's a goalpost shift.. IOC is looking at one study, while studies that analyze multiple studies indicate there isn't enough data, but what data there is points to there not being an advantage. I'm also curious as to whether they mean trans women or trans women and cis men when they say, "biological men," have an advantage, but it's neither here nor there because A) you're still cherry picking the data that conforms to your worldview and B) you've very clearly conceded the initial argument that the government should be in charge of this. Anyway, you done yet, or do you still want to be wrong at ne a little longer?

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