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Israel Used White Phosphorus in Lebanon, Now No One Can Go Home (clashreport.com)
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[–] 160 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (23 children)
  • 72,996 Palestinians killed by Israel (7 Oct 2023–14 Jun 2026, (UNRWA)
  • 46,590 Ukrainian civilians killed by Russia (24 Feb 2022–31 May 2026 (OHCHR)

According to ACLED, from 7 Oct 2023 - December 5, 2025, Israel attacked these countries (There have been many more attacks since then): (LINK)

  • Gaza and the occupied West Bank 8,332 times
  • Lebanon 1,653 times
  • Iran 379 times
  • Syria 207 times
  • Yemen 48 times
  • Qatar once
  • Tunisian waters twice, Maltese and Greek waters once each

Countries attacked by Russia since 24 Feb 2022 - Ukraine

Sanctions on Russia: 20 Sanction Packages

Sanctions on Israel by EU and HERE (harder to find any) 3 Sanction Packages

Israel war crimes in the war on Gaza. They've cut electricity, fuel, food and water to Gaza’s population and severely curtailed life-saving humanitarian aid, all of which are acts of collective punishment. The ICC has issued arrest warrants naming Israeli leaders and alleging war crimes and crimes against humanity (including starvation as a method of warfare). They have also been accused multiple times of attempting genocide. Israel is accused of the gravest war crimes - how governments respond could haunt them for years to come

I can't find any accusations of Russia using white phospherous - EDIT (thanks @Gust@piefed.social)

The two wars are different in that The war in Ukraine is a state-to-state conflict, while the one in Gaza shows an asymmetric war in the besieged enclave

FACTBOX - Ukraine and Gaza wars compared

The Israeli wars are just dirtier than anything most have seen or heard of. In the UK you are more likely to be awarded something for protesting against the Russian invasion of Ukraine than anything else. But protesting against the more violent, more aggressive and more illegal wars commited by Israel will likely get you arrested and possibly treated as a terrorist.

Let that sink in.

In the UK if you protest against a genocide in another country, the government have ordered the Police to arrest you.

Petition: End the prosecution of peaceful protestors in the UK)

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  • [–] 42 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65506993

    Largely agree with what you wrote, but let's not whitewash russia to make isreal look bad in comparison. They have absolutely used/been using white phos munitions on Ukrainian civilians

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Edited. Thanks. Wasn't whitewashing Russia at all. I used Qwant, DDG, Google, and even asked a couple of AI bots, but couldn't find anything about Russia using it. But I never said that they didn't, because I am well aware that they commit war crimes too.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Huh. Thats concerning if those kind of general searches about russian warcrimes are being suppressed. For reference, I remembered the bakhmut thing offhand so my search query for the article I linked was something super specific like "2023 bakhmut phosphorous"

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Yeah, I'll have a look through my history and see how I phrased it, but it was something like "accusations of Russia using white phospherous or illegal weapons and war crimes" in a few different ways.

    ai was useless (no surprises) but thought I would see if it spat out anything different anyway. They just asked me for reference links to feed them with. Which I obviously didn't have.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Weird, maybe too many words? I searched on DDG "russia white phosphorus" and it was nothing but claims about Russian use of it DuckDuckGo search feed displaying several articles from mainstream western sources discussing Russia's use of white phosphorus

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    I did get results for chemical weapons, Specifically chloropicrin, as it's in one of the links and their other heinous war crimes. I just didn't see any for white phospherous in particular. 🤷

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Not sure where you see the whitewashing of russia there?

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    The part where OP said there havent been any accusations of russia using white phosphorous bombs. There is proof of russia using those weapons in bakhmut in 2022, which is what I linked to.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Maybe he really didn't know that russia used it too. I still don't see strong evidence of him whitewashing Russia especially with his links about gross russian war crimes.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    You can debate the word whitewash, but his point is valid - op said no WP, but there is evidence of WP.

    Op also said that the comparison of condemnation can still be valid without the WP point.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Good comparison and data, but I'd like to point out that the leading stats are actually 16k civilians killed in Ukraine (and 46k injured), as per the source. While in Gaza there are 72k direct deaths and 172k injured (mostly civilians and 50% women and children)

    It's disgusting how Western governments still approach one country with all possible sanctions, and the other is just business as usual (and finger wagging if we're "lucky").

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago*

    There are so many sources citing different figures, I just picked the one that is mostly used by media. Also, it is believed that the figures in Gaza are much higher than the figures that the data shows. But without proof, I didn't/couldn't link it.

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  • [+] -91 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Would you look at that, a wild genocide connoisseur appeared!

    Go fucking extinct with your comparisons of human suffering. The only thing you prove is your own lack of morals. The only thing you achieve is total disrespect to those suffering.

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  • [–] 35 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    I was not comparing the wars for the wars. I was going to explain at the end, I ran out of time, but I naively thought it would be understood. I can only say what was in my head when I posted it. Or you did understand it, and approve of what's happening.

    I am not (I thought obviously) condoning any war.

    I'm not saying that one war is "better" or "worse" than any other war.

    My main point (really, my only point) is that Starmers government compared the two and decided that one is bad and the other is good.

    Despite all the atrocities that Israel do (which I was trying to accentuate in the post) - People are getting locked up as terrorists for agreeing with Palestine action.

    it's fucking ridiculous

    in the UK we can be arrested for protesting against a genocide.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    that Starmers government compared the two and decided that one is bad and the other is good.

    I mean, not just Starmers. Your point stands for a whole lot of governments.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Well, yes. But afaik Starmers is the only one that you can get arrested and have it reclassified as a terrorist action and imprisoned for lengthy sentences. Or get arrested as a terrorist. But unlikely to happen due the exact same offence if protesting a different war.

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  • [–] 34 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Where is the disrespect? They just point out the moral ambiguity of the west.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Nothing ambiguous about it. Insert family guy skin color swatches meme. You might be looking for the term "hypocrisy" instead.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Some of the politicians are definitely hypocrites yeah. And racism counts for some of it as well. But mainly I think it is good ol' imperialism at work. The politicians feel they have to support Israel and they don't know what to do about the genocide, and simply ignore it. This is not an excuse. Everyone complicit needs to go to the Haag.

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