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Davel, lemmy.ml admin, actively spreading anti-Ukrainian Russian propaganda (infosec.pub)
submitted 4 months ago by to c/meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
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[–] -4 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Yeah like I said this is the same thing that Davel did. Pretends there's no Russian presence on Lemmy, like arguing "water isn't wet".

The number one thing I've found is the hardcore refusal that any purposeful Russian propaganda or Russian accounts are on Lemmy. It's a hilariously clear sign of a вахтера

Dessalines, the lead developer and an administrator of the lemmy.ml instance, has faced criticism on communities like the r/RedditAlternatives Subreddit and tchncs.de Discussion Board for comments regarding Russia and geopolitics.In discussions on the platform, Dessalines has expressed strong anti-imperialist, Marxist-Leninist, and multipolar worldviews. His stance on Russia—specifically during the ongoing conflict in Ukraine—has involved the following themes:Geopolitical Justifications: In community posts (such as on lemmy.world), Dessalines has drawn scrutiny for making statements suggesting that criticism of Russia often ignores broader anti-imperialist geopolitics or US foreign policy agendas.Defederation/Moderation Policies: Because Lemmy is federated, individual instance admins can block or "defederate" from others. Many non-ML (Marxist-Leninist) instance administrators and users on servers like sh.itjust.works or lemmy.world chose to defederate from lemmy.ml specifically due to what they describe as "tankie" propaganda, genocide denial, and the handling of these Russian war-related comments by instance admins.Contrasting Views on Authoritarianism: In comment chains arguing about whether communist or anti-Western states like Russia are "authoritarian," Dessalines frequently pushes back, framing such accusations as "vibes-based analysis" propagated by Western powers.The decentralized nature of Lemmy allows users on different servers to experience completely different moderation standards, so these discussions vary wildly depending on whether you are viewing them on lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml, or other interconnected servers.

Sooo, your view is that Dessalines, Davel, Yoghtos and other Marxist-Leninist nuts are all just non-Russians accidentally perpetuating Russian propaganda which actually isn't even provably Russian propaganda? You know, the explicit Marxist-Leninist politics defending Russia, blaming Ukraine, etc?

Yeah that's not hilarious at all. :D

Keep going with this, you'll soon surely wear out my stamina of... being entertained by you. :DDD

Oh man I should reduce smoking you caused me to almost puke because I laughed so hard I started coughing and nearly couldn't breathe

It's really not that hard to prove you're not Russian either. Unless I just happen to be a Russian with finish dogtags and a Finnish calendar just conveniently by me for that reason while actively speaking against Putlerists.

How likely do you think that is?

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Sooo, your view is that Dessalines, Davel, Yoghtos and other Marxist-Leninist nuts are all just non-Russians accidentally perpetuating Russian propaganda which actually isn’t even provably Russian propaganda?

    My guy, Yogthos has said many times that he grew up in Russia. What’s to be gained by pretending to be someone other than one’s self for years on social media?

    Get a grip on yourself.

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  • [–] -3 points 4 months ago

    Oh more "fake news fake news, Russian would never do organised disinformation and the fact that those accounts align 100% with Russian propaganda doesn't mean anything!"

    Oh man what did Vicky with three kisses gain from pretending to be on the side of the Axis?

    I mean, weren't you the guy saying we should be actually careful about propaganda? But now you're gonna pretend that organised Russian propaganda on sites literally built by them don't have any at all, and even if there is why would any account spreading Russian propaganda want to pretend that they're actually American?

    Oh such a mystery, don't you think? Just can't grasp my head around the motivations here... Soooooo haaard.

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-are-russian-trolls-spreading-online-hoaxes-in-the-u-s

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/russian-bot-farm-used-ai-lie-americans-what-now

    https://arxiv.org/html/2507.23699v1

    And ofc

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_disinformation

    What you do t realise is that by denying literally every criticism of purposeful Russian disinfo, you're literally aligning 100% with Russian propaganda.

    Russia denies that it uses disinformation to influence public opinion.

    Despite there being more than enough evidence for concrete proof of it.

    So, there's absolutely 0% chance that Davel, Desssalines, Yogthos and other have anything to do with Russian web brigades?

    0% chance? So then, those are all your accounts, and you know that for certain? Which would mean sort of admitting to the opposite, because if you're a Ruski with several accounts all spreading Russian propaganda, it's kind of hard to argue there's literally 0% chance it's going on, isn't it?

    That's like being in the lift with someone else, just one other person, hearing a loud wet fart. You know it wasn't you, but then you look at the other guy and while the stink keeps growing and brown goo comes out of his trouser legs, he'll still argue "it wasn't me".

    This is why I find this so entertaining :D

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    AI hallucinations are a waste of time.

    Sooo, your view is that Dessalines, Davel, Yoghtos and other Marxist-Leninist nuts are all just non-Russians accidentally perpetuating Russian propaganda which actually isn’t even provably Russian propaganda?

    You're still ascribing me ideas that I didn't say or even outright denied (particularly this nonsense: accidentally perpetuating Russian propaganda which actually isn’t even provably Russian propaganda), and you're not even trying to corrobate your previous claims. It's actually crazy how hard you're ignoring the things I wrote even on points where we agree. You do have to understand that US is a very different country from yours and you can't project all of your local issues onto it. US's relationship to and perspective on Russia is different from yours in Finland, and just as their right-wingers could have latched onto one strain of Russian propaganda, so could their Marxists; you likely won't find clear parallels to their logic in your home country due to different history, political climate, proximity to Russia, etc. But you have to understand that in different countries different political positions can arise due to different circumstances.

    Oh man I should reduce smoking you caused me to almost puke because I laughed so hard I started coughing and nearly couldn’t breathe

    That sounds very worrying, I hope you're just joking here.

    How likely do you think that is?

    Um, what? Did I say anything regarding your own nationality? Why in the world would I suspect you're Russian, why would you have to prove to anyone you're not?

    You have some issues bigger than some pro-Russian useful idiots on a small forum. I won't reply anymore because I don't want to make you puke, I wish you all the best.

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    you're just joking here.

    Oh like how you're joking with this inane "nuh uh, you can't prove water is wet" thing?

    Your rhetoric is hilarious. Let's go over a bit of it. So you're grabbing tons of hallucinated implications from my text, while saying that when you write things, it's purely 100% prescriptive? (Yes, you're gonna have to Google what that means, unfortunate, isn't it?)

    "I'm quitting not because it's so hard to even argue water isn't wet, but because I so sympathetic to people laughing at me"

    Genuinely, like, you can't proofread your own comments or you just don't see how ridiculous they are? :D

    So, again "some pro-Russian useful idiots". What proof do you have they're not agents of the Russian government, and are American instead? Oh, did you perhaps hallucinate that? Awww :((

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