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‘It’s a big mistake’: Israelis feel betrayed and angry after Iran peace deal (www.theguardian.com)
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[–] 17 points 4 months ago* (70 children)

I'm a bit conflicted about it as well because I don't want a single fucking dime going to the IRGC.

On the other hand we cannot concede the strait of Hormuz to them.

On the other other hand, obviously a dumb war to have and fuck Israel for taking advantage of it.

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  • [–] 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (27 children)

    Where you conflicted when two Nazi states destroyed much more than $300bn and killed a lot of civilians including children in an illegal offensive war, though?

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago* (26 children)

    Are you referring to when the USSR and Nazi Germany invaded poland together, or...?

    Jokes aside I think Trump is an incompetent buffoon who has only helped the IRGC hold power. The smart play would have been arming and empowering the rebels with food and medical supplies.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    Fuck off zionazi

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    Compelling counterargument, let's see if it works.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago* (10 children)

    He blame palestinians and iran for the genocide israel is doing. He is a zionazi and he advocate for a civil war

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Israel's many crimes, which should be immediately stopped, do not forgive Iran's.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (5 children)

    Which part of the genocide convention can be used to say Iran and hamas are responsible for the genocide that Israel is comiting with the usa and the west weapons and money?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    When did iran do this to Gaza?

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    Because that never went horribly wrong before, right ?

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Indeed, didn't the Orange even sent Kurds the weapons for Iran resistance only for Kurds to keep them?

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I believe that was also after the kurds got betrayed a few times too.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (6 children)

    It couldn't go worse than continued IRGC rule.

    A while back Tankie complained to me about taking Ghadafi out (which is kind of the same problematic tactic of not supporting a resistance capable of replacing them) because now Libya is stuck an anarchy with human slavery...

    But the thing is, Ghadafi started the human slavery trade in Libya.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Couldn't go worse? Pinochet, Branco and all the other dictatorships the US put in place would like a word. America helped the Mujahedeen, which led to the Taliban, Al Qaeda and ISIS for fuck's sake. They are magnitudes worse than the Islamic Republic, it's not even close.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Your point was that it can't get worse than the Islamic Republic, and I provided examples on how it can actually get worse ?

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (28 children)

    How are the families of our victims compensated and the infrastructure we destroyed supposed to be rebuilt?

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    I'm not a tankie nor do I like China, but this is whataboutism. It's perfectly reasonable to talk about for example, Iranian victims of the US, Iranian victims of the government of Iran, Palestinian victims of Israel, Uyghur victims of China or Ukrainian victims of Russia in separate conversations.

    When you bring China into a reasonable question about US responsibility for war crimes in Iran, it's a bad look no matter who you're talking to.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    Enabling Iran to resist subjugation is fundamentally a good thing. Iran is insanely anticommunist, but the alternative is the total immiseration of its people, as we saw in Libya and Syria.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    sending Hamas to attack a music festival

    Facts:

    Hamas wouldn't exist if Israel didn't have a policy of killing children, as all of Hamas' founding members had child family members killed by Israel.

    Hamas did not attack a music Festival, Hamas attacked the homes of Military Officers and had a preplanned route Israeli intelligence knew about, which went through the relatively spontaneous music festival which was allowed to go forward despite Israeli intelligence knowing about the planned attack route.

    Most deaths from the music festival were not from Hamas, but Israeli helicopter fire.

    Most property damage from the raid was not from Hamas, but from Israeli rocket fire.

    Is that what they do in Egypt and Lebanon? In Iraq? Resisting through random death and destruction in the name of their god?

    Facts:

    This isn't a religious war. Palestine held more Christians and non-zionist Jews than Israel as of 2014. There are plenty of Christian members of Hamas and other resistance groups.

    FUN FACT: More people died from IRGC killing protestors than this war agains the USA.

    Facts:

    This is misinformation. Disinformation at worst. While the "30k protestors" number, like the 400 gabrazillion dead in holodomor number is popular, it is entirely and totally made up. Most international observers have settled closer to the IRGC's estimate of less than 3k armed revolutionaries dead, than the ridiculous 30k number.

    But even if it were 30k, the US and Israel have killed more people during this war. The genocide of Lebanon has been severely under reported in the west, but current early estimates are at 100k defenseless civilians dead, with entire historic villages fully wiped out.

    Iranians might be victims but the perpetrators are the IRGC.

    Facts:

    The US and Israel unilaterally started this war. This includes planting the revolutionaries in Iran that started the precipitating protests.

    The revolutionaries in Iran were directly funded and armed by the US, as admitted by Trump.

    Iran has a right to nuclear defense of its people.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    I did word each claim in such a way that generally any search engine will provide supporting documentation within the first couple of results if you care to look. But you don't, because if the information doesn't come from your IDF approved news source it's just propaganda.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    Fuck off zionazi. You are the biggest terrorist supporter. You love to suck the usa and isrsel dicks. Only Israel the genocidal settler colonial terrorist state and the usa who arm it hold all responsability for the genocide in Gaza

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Love me some whataboutism. Btw fuck you and I hope you're thrown into a concentration camp for supporting imperialism. Have a terrible day.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I hope you're thrown into a concentration camp for supporting imperialism.

    This is upvoted? This is what people here actually believe?

    You actually want people imprisoned for "supporting imperialism"?

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago*

    Okay maybe I was too vague. I want people like FiniteBanjo to suffer serious harm because they support bombing of people on the other side of the world for bullshit reasons (there are very few non-bullshit reasons to bomb people on the other side of the world). It just happens that the form of politics-based harm most likely to befall FiniteBanjo is that a fascist throws them into a concentration camp for being a liberal, and if that were to happen and I somehow learned of it my reaction would be schadenfreude because fuck people who support bombing people on the other side of the world. I don't want people to be imprisoned with the charge of supporting imperialism; I just believe assholes who support imperialism deserve bad things to happen to them and was naming a plausible-ish bad thing of what I believe to be the appropriate magnitude.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago*

    You must be new here, don't pay too much mind to it, the Tankies, supporters of eastern bloc autocratic regimes, are a lot fewer in number than they appear but they have a coordinated and well funded operation on the Fediverse including bots and alt accounts.

    Whenever you see a fast inconsistent number of votes, always assume it is manipulated.

    The entirety of the Lemmy platform is maintained by Tankies such as Dessalines, which run the ML instance and closely coordinate with Lemmygrad and Hexbear to spread pro-Russian and pro-Chinese propaganda. That is why I use Piefed.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Hoe about thr united snakes giving reparations to the dozens of countries it bombed and to the dozens of countries where they overthrew democracy

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    That's an excellent point and a worthy topic of discussion. But it's a little extraneous to this one, and can come off as some whataboutism if discussed here. Keep that thought, and let's talk about it if we can get a template from this that can then be applied to them.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    The reason Iran is the way it is to begin with is because of the west you dolt.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    It was lost in the cold war and has been controlled by the eastern bloc ever since. The IRGC dictatorship, which is responsible for more Iranian civillian casualties than this pointless war is, are empowered solely by military support from China and Russia. All of their guns and munitions come from there.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    Ger lost hypocrite. You loved that war . You also celebrated cuba suffering from the united snakes sanctions.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    The fuck does this have to do with Cuba?

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    The dipship i replied to made multiple comment about cuba deserving the blockade

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (5 children)

    You literally blamed cuban for their regime in previous removed by mod comments in a post about more deadly sanctions on cuba. You are claiming that it is not the USA the agressor.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    You said you would like to sympathize with regular cuban but you can't because they are agressive toward the usa who is the agressor and has been blockading them for decades.

    You are an idiot if you think cuban should not sbow their rediness to fight an agressor. That is what we call force projection to warn the agressor

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I don't want a single fucking dime going to the IRGC.

    This isn't a pay-out: it's reparations for wanton destruction via sloppy bombing.

    1. Keep in mind it's not a dime they're getting, but a dime they're getting back.
    2. Regardless of how we feel about the regime, the just decision is reparations (and a war crime tribunal) since this is about who we are and not about whom they are. Unfortunately, human rights is the baseline for interaction that extends to terrible people just like good people because they're people.
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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Everything that happened to the IRGC themselves was deserved. While I think the Iranian citizens need some aid to build back hospitals and civilian targets struck by the malicious Israelis and incompetent Trump admin, I don't have the confidence that it will be properly allocated to them by the corrupt and brutal IRGC, nor should we allow the IRGC to take credit for any such reconstruction because it will inevitably lead more violence and destruction down the road.

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