▲ 1216 ▼ A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Massive Data Center Instead (www.404media.co) submitted 5 months ago by Some_Emo_Chick@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 150 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Arrandee@lemmy.world 146 points 5 months ago* (24 children) She’s gonna get a share of the lease revenue on that, right? …right? permalink fedilink source hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] IcedRaktajino@startrek.website 167 points 5 months ago* (18 children) Even if they didn't do her dirty, she wouldn't. She donated it to the city and relinquished ownership of it. The expectation, even written into the deed, was that the land was to be used as a park, but they turned around and sold it multiple times. Despite the stipulation in the original deed to the parks and recreation department, the data center is still going forward. The story is just such a tragedy all around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] Arrandee@lemmy.world 112 points 5 months ago (12 children) Huh, I’m not an attorney but that sure seems actionable if the intended use was documented in a contract. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] IcedRaktajino@startrek.website 145 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children) She's got an attorney and they're trying to stop it based on that, but it just seems like everyone involved (edit: besides her) just doesn't give a fuck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] db2@lemmy.world 109 points 5 months ago (5 children) They've been taught that if they ignore the law and do whatever they want to they don't get punched in the face. That will only go on for so long but it's going to suck until someone gets punchy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 63 points 5 months ago (1 child) Especially with the recent East Wing argument, the lesson is "if you do it fast enough and ignore other people getting angry about it, you can do whatever you want." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 8 points 5 months ago The only reason they ever didn't ignore people getting angry about things was because when people used to get angry they also got shooty. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nullspace@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 child) What's the saying? "Ownership is 90% posession." Like with the stuff going on at the East Wing or the Kennedy Center, some people just move forward even if they're not allowed to because chances are they won't be stopped or penalized. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago "Possession is nine-tenths of the law" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_is_nine-tenths_of_the_law permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago Interesting to witness societal decay in real time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fratermus@piefed.social 19 points 5 months ago (3 children) The relevant case law may be found in Molotov vs. New Construction . permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Can't find what it was, what did that one end with? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bricriu@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) A bang permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sukhmel@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago Oh, that, well it was definitely a hit permalink fedilink source parent [+] bluGill@fedia.io -8 points 5 months ago (4 children) While in many ways it is a tragedy, the cure is often worse. I on balance oppose deed restrictions, either you own the land and pay taxes, or you give up all control. Deed restrictions just force future generations to live by your values and that is a bad thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IcedRaktajino@startrek.website 35 points 5 months ago* (1 child) It's a lot like another commenter mentioned about eminent domain. It can be used for good (roads, fiber deployments, district heating, etc) but also for things not so good (data centers, etc). I went out of my way to find a house that didn't even have a vestigial HOA deed restriction, so I get that. But when a private citizen donates something to the local municipality, it's pretty egregious to not honor those restrictions, especially for things that may take a while to develop. I'd donate my share of my family's farmland to build a park, but I wouldn't sell it for all the money in the world to build a datacenter or landfill or anything else, really. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bluGill@fedia.io 13 points 5 months ago It is a jerk move for sure and the voters should be mad about this. If you can't keep your word without a contract that says a lot about your lack of honor. I'm talking pure legality here though. The cities actions are legal and should be. They are however dishonorable and nobody should deal with the city again. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) As for your last line there, forcing future generations to live by the values of having a park isn't a bad thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bluGill@fedia.io 1 point 5 months ago What makes you so sure? I mean, I would hope that future generations will have parks, but we don't know what the future is going to be like. There may be some consideration that we couldn't even conceive of that would make it not a good thing for them to have a park. Or maybe parks are considered good in future generations, but there's a reason that that is a particularly bad spot to have a park. permalink fedilink source parent [–] crandlecan@mander.xyz 10 points 5 months ago (1 child) No takey-backs! ✝️ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] brem@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 child) Best they can do is no trees, half of everyone riding mobility scooters and neighbors with dogs that can poop EVERYWHERE. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] crandlecan@mander.xyz 2 points 5 months ago* Nice try, Big Dungbeatle Inc. 😑 permalink fedilink source parent [–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago they're not even leasing. It's a flat sale. For a measly 10 million permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IcedRaktajino@startrek.website 167 points 5 months ago* (18 children) Even if they didn't do her dirty, she wouldn't. She donated it to the city and relinquished ownership of it. The expectation, even written into the deed, was that the land was to be used as a park, but they turned around and sold it multiple times. Despite the stipulation in the original deed to the parks and recreation department, the data center is still going forward. The story is just such a tragedy all around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] Arrandee@lemmy.world 112 points 5 months ago (12 children) Huh, I’m not an attorney but that sure seems actionable if the intended use was documented in a contract. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] IcedRaktajino@startrek.website 145 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children) She's got an attorney and they're trying to stop it based on that, but it just seems like everyone involved (edit: besides her) just doesn't give a fuck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] db2@lemmy.world 109 points 5 months ago (5 children) They've been taught that if they ignore the law and do whatever they want to they don't get punched in the face. That will only go on for so long but it's going to suck until someone gets punchy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 63 points 5 months ago (1 child) Especially with the recent East Wing argument, the lesson is "if you do it fast enough and ignore other people getting angry about it, you can do whatever you want." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 8 points 5 months ago The only reason they ever didn't ignore people getting angry about things was because when people used to get angry they also got shooty. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nullspace@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 child) What's the saying? "Ownership is 90% posession." Like with the stuff going on at the East Wing or the Kennedy Center, some people just move forward even if they're not allowed to because chances are they won't be stopped or penalized. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago "Possession is nine-tenths of the law" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_is_nine-tenths_of_the_law permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago Interesting to witness societal decay in real time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fratermus@piefed.social 19 points 5 months ago (3 children) The relevant case law may be found in Molotov vs. New Construction . permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Can't find what it was, what did that one end with? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bricriu@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) A bang permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sukhmel@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago Oh, that, well it was definitely a hit permalink fedilink source parent [+] bluGill@fedia.io -8 points 5 months ago (4 children) While in many ways it is a tragedy, the cure is often worse. I on balance oppose deed restrictions, either you own the land and pay taxes, or you give up all control. Deed restrictions just force future generations to live by your values and that is a bad thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IcedRaktajino@startrek.website 35 points 5 months ago* (1 child) It's a lot like another commenter mentioned about eminent domain. It can be used for good (roads, fiber deployments, district heating, etc) but also for things not so good (data centers, etc). I went out of my way to find a house that didn't even have a vestigial HOA deed restriction, so I get that. But when a private citizen donates something to the local municipality, it's pretty egregious to not honor those restrictions, especially for things that may take a while to develop. I'd donate my share of my family's farmland to build a park, but I wouldn't sell it for all the money in the world to build a datacenter or landfill or anything else, really. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bluGill@fedia.io 13 points 5 months ago It is a jerk move for sure and the voters should be mad about this. If you can't keep your word without a contract that says a lot about your lack of honor. I'm talking pure legality here though. The cities actions are legal and should be. They are however dishonorable and nobody should deal with the city again. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) As for your last line there, forcing future generations to live by the values of having a park isn't a bad thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bluGill@fedia.io 1 point 5 months ago What makes you so sure? I mean, I would hope that future generations will have parks, but we don't know what the future is going to be like. There may be some consideration that we couldn't even conceive of that would make it not a good thing for them to have a park. Or maybe parks are considered good in future generations, but there's a reason that that is a particularly bad spot to have a park. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Arrandee@lemmy.world 112 points 5 months ago (12 children) Huh, I’m not an attorney but that sure seems actionable if the intended use was documented in a contract. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] IcedRaktajino@startrek.website 145 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children) She's got an attorney and they're trying to stop it based on that, but it just seems like everyone involved (edit: besides her) just doesn't give a fuck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] db2@lemmy.world 109 points 5 months ago (5 children) They've been taught that if they ignore the law and do whatever they want to they don't get punched in the face. That will only go on for so long but it's going to suck until someone gets punchy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 63 points 5 months ago (1 child) Especially with the recent East Wing argument, the lesson is "if you do it fast enough and ignore other people getting angry about it, you can do whatever you want." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 8 points 5 months ago The only reason they ever didn't ignore people getting angry about things was because when people used to get angry they also got shooty. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nullspace@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 child) What's the saying? "Ownership is 90% posession." Like with the stuff going on at the East Wing or the Kennedy Center, some people just move forward even if they're not allowed to because chances are they won't be stopped or penalized. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago "Possession is nine-tenths of the law" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_is_nine-tenths_of_the_law permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago Interesting to witness societal decay in real time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fratermus@piefed.social 19 points 5 months ago (3 children) The relevant case law may be found in Molotov vs. New Construction . permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Can't find what it was, what did that one end with? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bricriu@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) A bang permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sukhmel@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago Oh, that, well it was definitely a hit permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IcedRaktajino@startrek.website 145 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children) She's got an attorney and they're trying to stop it based on that, but it just seems like everyone involved (edit: besides her) just doesn't give a fuck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] db2@lemmy.world 109 points 5 months ago (5 children) They've been taught that if they ignore the law and do whatever they want to they don't get punched in the face. That will only go on for so long but it's going to suck until someone gets punchy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 63 points 5 months ago (1 child) Especially with the recent East Wing argument, the lesson is "if you do it fast enough and ignore other people getting angry about it, you can do whatever you want." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 8 points 5 months ago The only reason they ever didn't ignore people getting angry about things was because when people used to get angry they also got shooty. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nullspace@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 child) What's the saying? "Ownership is 90% posession." Like with the stuff going on at the East Wing or the Kennedy Center, some people just move forward even if they're not allowed to because chances are they won't be stopped or penalized. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago "Possession is nine-tenths of the law" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_is_nine-tenths_of_the_law permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago Interesting to witness societal decay in real time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] db2@lemmy.world 109 points 5 months ago (5 children) They've been taught that if they ignore the law and do whatever they want to they don't get punched in the face. That will only go on for so long but it's going to suck until someone gets punchy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 63 points 5 months ago (1 child) Especially with the recent East Wing argument, the lesson is "if you do it fast enough and ignore other people getting angry about it, you can do whatever you want." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 8 points 5 months ago The only reason they ever didn't ignore people getting angry about things was because when people used to get angry they also got shooty. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nullspace@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 child) What's the saying? "Ownership is 90% posession." Like with the stuff going on at the East Wing or the Kennedy Center, some people just move forward even if they're not allowed to because chances are they won't be stopped or penalized. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago "Possession is nine-tenths of the law" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_is_nine-tenths_of_the_law permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 63 points 5 months ago (1 child) Especially with the recent East Wing argument, the lesson is "if you do it fast enough and ignore other people getting angry about it, you can do whatever you want." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 8 points 5 months ago The only reason they ever didn't ignore people getting angry about things was because when people used to get angry they also got shooty. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 8 points 5 months ago The only reason they ever didn't ignore people getting angry about things was because when people used to get angry they also got shooty. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nullspace@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 child) What's the saying? "Ownership is 90% posession." Like with the stuff going on at the East Wing or the Kennedy Center, some people just move forward even if they're not allowed to because chances are they won't be stopped or penalized. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago "Possession is nine-tenths of the law" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_is_nine-tenths_of_the_law permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago "Possession is nine-tenths of the law" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_is_nine-tenths_of_the_law permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago Interesting to witness societal decay in real time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fratermus@piefed.social 19 points 5 months ago (3 children) The relevant case law may be found in Molotov vs. New Construction . permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Can't find what it was, what did that one end with? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bricriu@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) A bang permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sukhmel@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago Oh, that, well it was definitely a hit permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Can't find what it was, what did that one end with? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bricriu@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) A bang permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sukhmel@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago Oh, that, well it was definitely a hit permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bricriu@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) A bang permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sukhmel@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago Oh, that, well it was definitely a hit permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago Oh, that, well it was definitely a hit permalink fedilink source parent
[+] bluGill@fedia.io -8 points 5 months ago (4 children) While in many ways it is a tragedy, the cure is often worse. I on balance oppose deed restrictions, either you own the land and pay taxes, or you give up all control. Deed restrictions just force future generations to live by your values and that is a bad thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IcedRaktajino@startrek.website 35 points 5 months ago* (1 child) It's a lot like another commenter mentioned about eminent domain. It can be used for good (roads, fiber deployments, district heating, etc) but also for things not so good (data centers, etc). I went out of my way to find a house that didn't even have a vestigial HOA deed restriction, so I get that. But when a private citizen donates something to the local municipality, it's pretty egregious to not honor those restrictions, especially for things that may take a while to develop. I'd donate my share of my family's farmland to build a park, but I wouldn't sell it for all the money in the world to build a datacenter or landfill or anything else, really. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bluGill@fedia.io 13 points 5 months ago It is a jerk move for sure and the voters should be mad about this. If you can't keep your word without a contract that says a lot about your lack of honor. I'm talking pure legality here though. The cities actions are legal and should be. They are however dishonorable and nobody should deal with the city again. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) As for your last line there, forcing future generations to live by the values of having a park isn't a bad thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bluGill@fedia.io 1 point 5 months ago What makes you so sure? I mean, I would hope that future generations will have parks, but we don't know what the future is going to be like. There may be some consideration that we couldn't even conceive of that would make it not a good thing for them to have a park. Or maybe parks are considered good in future generations, but there's a reason that that is a particularly bad spot to have a park. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IcedRaktajino@startrek.website 35 points 5 months ago* (1 child) It's a lot like another commenter mentioned about eminent domain. It can be used for good (roads, fiber deployments, district heating, etc) but also for things not so good (data centers, etc). I went out of my way to find a house that didn't even have a vestigial HOA deed restriction, so I get that. But when a private citizen donates something to the local municipality, it's pretty egregious to not honor those restrictions, especially for things that may take a while to develop. I'd donate my share of my family's farmland to build a park, but I wouldn't sell it for all the money in the world to build a datacenter or landfill or anything else, really. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bluGill@fedia.io 13 points 5 months ago It is a jerk move for sure and the voters should be mad about this. If you can't keep your word without a contract that says a lot about your lack of honor. I'm talking pure legality here though. The cities actions are legal and should be. They are however dishonorable and nobody should deal with the city again. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bluGill@fedia.io 13 points 5 months ago It is a jerk move for sure and the voters should be mad about this. If you can't keep your word without a contract that says a lot about your lack of honor. I'm talking pure legality here though. The cities actions are legal and should be. They are however dishonorable and nobody should deal with the city again. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) As for your last line there, forcing future generations to live by the values of having a park isn't a bad thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bluGill@fedia.io 1 point 5 months ago What makes you so sure? I mean, I would hope that future generations will have parks, but we don't know what the future is going to be like. There may be some consideration that we couldn't even conceive of that would make it not a good thing for them to have a park. Or maybe parks are considered good in future generations, but there's a reason that that is a particularly bad spot to have a park. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bluGill@fedia.io 1 point 5 months ago What makes you so sure? I mean, I would hope that future generations will have parks, but we don't know what the future is going to be like. There may be some consideration that we couldn't even conceive of that would make it not a good thing for them to have a park. Or maybe parks are considered good in future generations, but there's a reason that that is a particularly bad spot to have a park. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] crandlecan@mander.xyz 10 points 5 months ago (1 child) No takey-backs! ✝️ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] brem@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 child) Best they can do is no trees, half of everyone riding mobility scooters and neighbors with dogs that can poop EVERYWHERE. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] crandlecan@mander.xyz 2 points 5 months ago* Nice try, Big Dungbeatle Inc. 😑 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] crandlecan@mander.xyz 2 points 5 months ago* Nice try, Big Dungbeatle Inc. 😑 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago they're not even leasing. It's a flat sale. For a measly 10 million permalink fedilink source parent