Mormon leaders, military veterans and elected officials reacted with anger to a new Department of Defense policy that does not consider The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to be a Christian religion as part of a wider effort to cut down the U.S. military’s list of recognized faiths.

“The Pentagon’s decision to list The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints apart from other Christian faiths is wrong and needs to be corrected,” Republican Rep. Mike Kennedy, of heavily Mormon Utah, wrote on X on Sunday.

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[–] 39 points 5 months ago* (46 children)

I mean they literally aren't, it's like saying Muslims are Christian because they view Jesus as a prophet along with Muhammed.

They made up their own fan fiction for Christianity. Someone needs to let them know their fanfic isn't canon.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I'm ex-mormon. They firmly consider themselves christian. They believe in Christ as a savior who died for our sins, etc etc, where a lot of sects considered non-christian see him as a prophet, not a savior/divine entity. There are a lot of arguments about the trinity and if considering christ a separate being still counts, but in the simplest sense, they kinda are christian. The bar shifts depending on who you ask though.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity The section on the trinity is an interesting read.

    Though I should make it clear, I don't believe in any god. It's all wishful thinking to me.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    Personally, I think the whole heavenly father and heavenly mother being Mormons from a different planet as well as the lack of belief in the Trinity thing makes mormonism fundamentally different then "old and new testament only" Christianity.

    But on the other hand, they can call themselves what ever they want, it doesn't make their cult correct or their god real.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Mormons don't believe in the Trinity doctrine.

    Neither do Unitarians.

    Both got cut by Evangelical Pete.

    He almost certainly holds them to be heretics.

    Its probably not all the extra fan fiction... its probably the heresy... vast majority of self identified Christians in the world belong to some kind of a Church or Sect or Denomination that holds to the Trinity.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I mean, in their canon, Jesus visited America right? Is it the same Jesus, fundamentally?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (16 children)

    Nope. I mean the name is there, but this is so easily traced to the grift that one has to really do some mental gymnastics to say it's even a religion much less a Christian one.

    How often did Jesus teach about how dark skin was a curse from God?

    The bible was a building block to the grift of Smith, that is all.

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    No I am not twisting definitions. I am saying it's easy to see that this one has nothing to do with the religious premise it jumped on and everything to do with grift.

    They might all be grifts, but this one is explicitly easy to see that they just jumped someone else's train. And therefore it is nothing to do with the other various sects.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (13 children)

    How often did Jesus teach about how dark skin was a curse from God?

    Way more often than mainstream Christianity wants to admit. It’s literally the root of white supremacy…but that’s not a popular subject among the modern Christians.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    I would love for you to quote some scripture backing that up

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    Start here and scroll down to the Christianity subtitle. It starts with the curse of Cain. I was taught this growing up, and it’s the basis of white Christians sidelining brown and black people within the church. Also, remembering that Christianity is a white religion that was pushed on slaves in America…and then sidelined outside of it by the same damn people!

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Yeah, so did I. Jesus never said anything about the mark of cain.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Correct. It’s in Genesis. The common mistake a lot of Christian apologists make is to simply dismiss the Old Testament unless it serves them (gay references).

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (5 children)

    How often did Jesus teach about how dark skin was a curse from God?

    That's what you responded to and you just admitted your original answer was bullshit. They didn't say "Christianity" they said "Jesus."

    People dismiss a lot of the Old Testament because it's largely irrelevant since Jesus "died for our sins" and we stopped paying attention to a lot of the laws from back then like wearing clothes of many different types of fibers or men shaving their beards.

    As someone who was raised Christian but is an atheist now, but even with all the crazy bullshit I dealt with in the sect I was raised in, the mark of Cain was never connected to race.

    But it's dismissed because a lot of the Old Testament literally doesn't matter now. Modern Christian's don't sacrifice lambs to God, because Jesus was the sacrifice for everyone. It's not dismissed by apologists, it's also dismissed by many mainline Christian sects (Catholicism respects the Old Testament more than protestant churches). The Old Testament is the history, and is similar to the Jewish texts it was pulled from, so only the New Testament really matters in the larger picture of Christianity.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I’m not trying to deceive anyone here. I’m also an atheist after being raised evangelical. I allow carry it further in that I’m anti-religion.

    I dismiss the entire Bible, not just the OT.

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    Look man if you want to reddit atheist this shit so you can feel like the most atheist atheist that ever atheist'd, find someone else to act superior to.

    You literally lied when you answer the question (the teachings of jesus isn't the same as the whole bible and you fucking know it), and now you're doubling down your answer even though now you're saying you dismiss it all... but earlier it was Christian apologists who dismissed it? Make up your fucking mind and stop jerking yourself off.

    The reason I hate other atheists is they do the same shit Christians do by putting themselves on a pedestal for being clever enough to figure out there isn't a god like there aren't fucking millions of us who figured out throughout fucking human history you're not fucking special. We're no better than animals, we're just a bunch of monkeys flinging shit at each other, and we're not more "rational" or "logical" than Christians we're beasts of emotion as well.

    So take the attitude and toss it.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    They made up their own fan fiction for Christianity. Someone needs to let them know their fanfic isn't canon.

    Not defending Mormonism here, but is Christianity not just Judaism fanfic? And is Judaism not a fanfic of earlier religions?

    No point in talking about "canon" regarding religion, it's just stories

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    How is believing jesus christ is the only son of god and dying for mans sins not Christian? I have never understood the ignorance behind LDS not being Christian. Literally every version of Christianity has it's own fanfic bullshit built in, that's why there're hundreds of denominations and not one

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    But the Islamic religion is not derived from Christianity, while re LSD is

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    LSD is derived from an obvious scam. And very stupid one at that.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Like every religion. How is LDS somehow worse than your regular “satan told me” or “I am going to heaven” christian nonsense? It’s a completely arbitrary distinction. If those folks consider themselves christians, or followers of Christ, who is entitled to deny their identity as such?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Like every religion. How is LDS somehow worse than your regular “satan told me” or “I am going to heaven” christian nonsense?

    It's not, they are all equally ridiculous, some more so.

    It’s a completely arbitrary distinction.

    Sure

    If those folks consider themselves christians, or followers of Christ, who is entitled to deny their identity as such?

    Literally everyone else on the planet has that right. You could even say it is a God given right if you wish.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago*

    Huh... No. Literally no.

    They took an already silly thing, which at least had the benefit of being so far removed in time it leaves space for doubt about what it claims, and then piled a bunch of complete utter nonsense on top of it.

    And worse of all, utter nonsense created by a con artist who couldn't even keep his own story straight, like when the original "translation" of the text only he could translate (lol) was hidden from him, he just made up a completely different one because of course he did, he was a con artist.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    isn't each abrahamic religion just a sequel to the previous one that's been written by new authors?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Like I can accept that the bible is kind of a mess due to it being written so long ago that historical record of the whole thing is fractured, but generally, it's accepted that a figure named Jesus probably did exist, even if he wasn't really the son of God. Through all the translations and lost languages and lost history, mainline Christianity has a pretty good excuse that even if the stories aren't actually true, they're rooted in social folktales that were generally accepted as true in early Christian theology, in a time period that was much much much much more superstitious than the modern era.

    Whereas, come the fuck on, Jesus visiting America is made up whole cloth in a semi-modern era by a guy who should have known the fuck better. That's not a social folktale, that's just one single motherfucker making shit up on his own and calling it good.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    lol, I see. you're willing to entertain the whole zombie jesus story but the book of mormon is ridiculous and impossible.

    honestly who even cares? I'm sure this will get corrected by hegseth because the lds have been loyal and obedient to trump and the republicans in power are only pretending to be christians.

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