▲ 61 ▼ An honest discussion in the current state of the Fediverse (anarchist.nexus) submitted 5 months ago by lovingisliving@anarchist.nexus to c/fediverse@lemmy.world 82 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] lovingisliving@anarchist.nexus [S] 2 points 5 months ago (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 14 points 5 months ago (5 children) But these are real alternatives. They're real alternatives that by the nature of them being non corporate are more difficult to market, stick in a neat box for consumers. But that's not a negative. I agree with anything that removes friction and helps people get away from corporate captured social media but fundamentally at some point where this is what the fediverse is and it's why it's the way it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mrnngglry@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 months ago Exactly. Corporate social media is too much of a money making machine, for the corporations, advertisers, and influencers. The fediverse doesn’t add to anyone’s bottom line. I’m convinced that there is nothing that could make the average person leave Meta’s platforms. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Eldritch@piefed.world 4 points 5 months ago Yeah I don't know if a lot of people remember. But the rise of much of current social media was not organic or natural. I've been accessing the internet since the very early 90s. Started out through fidonet if anyone remembers that. Was on Usenet, IRC, ICQ, AIM, MSN, Jabber, GeoCities, MySpace, tumblr etc. So it's not like I'm completely out of the loop with things going on on the internet Etc. I remember first time really hearing about Twitter. Was while watching cable news. One day all the guests and hosts started bringing it up constantly. And talking about it and how everyone should use it. I found it strange then and I still find the system strange today. It isn't really much for the average person. At least for many it doesn't do all that much more for them than a simple WordPress or geocities site would. Apart from feeding into a larger API that can be mined for data by a company. permalink fedilink source parent [+] lovingisliving@anarchist.nexus [S] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 6 points 5 months ago (1 child) All else being equal? Sure. But even the way youre speaking right now would seem to imply some kind of overhead control, new standards, agreements, things of that nature that are already possible, but if imposedvwould go against the nature of the fediverse. By that same token, there is a very real market out there clearly for a user friendly onboarding into the fediverse so, go build it? There isn't anything stopping anyone from addressing the issues you've raised other than tech and adoption. But you're putting the cart before the horse IMO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 months ago People looking up alternatives doesn't mean they actually want to use them. Switching to an alternative necessarily means some pains, in terms of changed interface, functionality, and community. You can't just magically switch between platforms and have all the people follow you there, and that's a dealbreaker for many. As far as I know, the fediverse is growing, just not explosively. We can hope that at some point it reaches a threshold that convinces a lot of people to move over, cementing it as a "proper" platform. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 14 points 5 months ago (5 children) But these are real alternatives. They're real alternatives that by the nature of them being non corporate are more difficult to market, stick in a neat box for consumers. But that's not a negative. I agree with anything that removes friction and helps people get away from corporate captured social media but fundamentally at some point where this is what the fediverse is and it's why it's the way it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mrnngglry@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 months ago Exactly. Corporate social media is too much of a money making machine, for the corporations, advertisers, and influencers. The fediverse doesn’t add to anyone’s bottom line. I’m convinced that there is nothing that could make the average person leave Meta’s platforms. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Eldritch@piefed.world 4 points 5 months ago Yeah I don't know if a lot of people remember. But the rise of much of current social media was not organic or natural. I've been accessing the internet since the very early 90s. Started out through fidonet if anyone remembers that. Was on Usenet, IRC, ICQ, AIM, MSN, Jabber, GeoCities, MySpace, tumblr etc. So it's not like I'm completely out of the loop with things going on on the internet Etc. I remember first time really hearing about Twitter. Was while watching cable news. One day all the guests and hosts started bringing it up constantly. And talking about it and how everyone should use it. I found it strange then and I still find the system strange today. It isn't really much for the average person. At least for many it doesn't do all that much more for them than a simple WordPress or geocities site would. Apart from feeding into a larger API that can be mined for data by a company. permalink fedilink source parent [+] lovingisliving@anarchist.nexus [S] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 6 points 5 months ago (1 child) All else being equal? Sure. But even the way youre speaking right now would seem to imply some kind of overhead control, new standards, agreements, things of that nature that are already possible, but if imposedvwould go against the nature of the fediverse. By that same token, there is a very real market out there clearly for a user friendly onboarding into the fediverse so, go build it? There isn't anything stopping anyone from addressing the issues you've raised other than tech and adoption. But you're putting the cart before the horse IMO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] mrnngglry@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 months ago Exactly. Corporate social media is too much of a money making machine, for the corporations, advertisers, and influencers. The fediverse doesn’t add to anyone’s bottom line. I’m convinced that there is nothing that could make the average person leave Meta’s platforms. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 4 points 5 months ago Yeah I don't know if a lot of people remember. But the rise of much of current social media was not organic or natural. I've been accessing the internet since the very early 90s. Started out through fidonet if anyone remembers that. Was on Usenet, IRC, ICQ, AIM, MSN, Jabber, GeoCities, MySpace, tumblr etc. So it's not like I'm completely out of the loop with things going on on the internet Etc. I remember first time really hearing about Twitter. Was while watching cable news. One day all the guests and hosts started bringing it up constantly. And talking about it and how everyone should use it. I found it strange then and I still find the system strange today. It isn't really much for the average person. At least for many it doesn't do all that much more for them than a simple WordPress or geocities site would. Apart from feeding into a larger API that can be mined for data by a company. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] lovingisliving@anarchist.nexus [S] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 6 points 5 months ago (1 child) All else being equal? Sure. But even the way youre speaking right now would seem to imply some kind of overhead control, new standards, agreements, things of that nature that are already possible, but if imposedvwould go against the nature of the fediverse. By that same token, there is a very real market out there clearly for a user friendly onboarding into the fediverse so, go build it? There isn't anything stopping anyone from addressing the issues you've raised other than tech and adoption. But you're putting the cart before the horse IMO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 6 points 5 months ago (1 child) All else being equal? Sure. But even the way youre speaking right now would seem to imply some kind of overhead control, new standards, agreements, things of that nature that are already possible, but if imposedvwould go against the nature of the fediverse. By that same token, there is a very real market out there clearly for a user friendly onboarding into the fediverse so, go build it? There isn't anything stopping anyone from addressing the issues you've raised other than tech and adoption. But you're putting the cart before the horse IMO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 months ago People looking up alternatives doesn't mean they actually want to use them. Switching to an alternative necessarily means some pains, in terms of changed interface, functionality, and community. You can't just magically switch between platforms and have all the people follow you there, and that's a dealbreaker for many. As far as I know, the fediverse is growing, just not explosively. We can hope that at some point it reaches a threshold that convinces a lot of people to move over, cementing it as a "proper" platform. permalink fedilink source parent