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[–] 28 points 5 months ago (50 children)

I think it's more like our bodies are blank canvases. They need some color and embellishing to really accent what's already there

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  • [–] 39 points 5 months ago (18 children)

    The so-called architect put those hairs there, you moron.

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  • [+] -22 points 5 months ago (17 children)

    Depends on where the hair is located. Do you like women with hairy legs or hair under the armpits.?

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (15 children)

    I honestly couldn’t give a fuck. If you wanna shave have at it, but if you are more comfortable without shaving, more power to ya.

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  • [+] -8 points 5 months ago (14 children)

    From https://www.brandeis.edu/writing-program/write-now/2021-2022/azevedo-ligia/index.html

    On top of that, the most important confirmation of my research is that men do indeed prefer women without body hair, no matter if it’s located in the leg and/or armpit. In the “choose the most attractive picture” questions, the photo of a woman without body hair was rated significantly more attractive than the one with body hair, with 95.2% of the participants choosing the hairless women. When it came to explaining their answers, the participants stated the following opinions: preferring partners with smooth skin (95.2% of the participants), seeing body hair as an emasculating feature (85.7%), and considering that females “just look better” without body hair (28.5%). These results demonstrate that body hair is associated with femininity, and having a hairless body is an expectation of men towards women.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (13 children)

    Tbf, and I know you're just trolling anyway but, that blew your "architect" argument out of the water here.

    Architect for people here would mean our "creator," or a metaphor for biology for the non-religious. So the "architect" put the hair on the women, as you say he designed them that way, and thus the alteration (removal) should be perceived as sickness, I should suspect Alopecia, but it isn't and I don't. Instead as your source suggests and as I can confirm for me personally I do prefer such a woman altered beyond our architect's designs, I don't see her as sick, I can correctly surmise that she, a tool using primate like myself, likely purchased a razor from a store and removed the hair from where it originally was.

    As with the hair even if the tattoo "should" be viewed as a sickness due to a malfunction of our brains, in mine it isn't. As with "shaving" I'm also aware of what "ink" is, tattooed or sharpied frankly, if I see someone wrote a phone number on their wrist (a forgotten rite of passage in the age of the smart phone but for those of us old enough to remember) or an X on their hand I don't think "sick" I think "got a date" or "is under 21 at this band's show" respectively, as my brain (perhaps unlike yours) is capable of interpreting context.

    Furthermore many blemishes are not only "non-medical" (birthmarks, etc) some can be downright attractive. Love me a hot pale freckled woman.

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  • [+] -6 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    The Creator made men find body hair on women unattractive, but when humans weren't as technologically advanced it served a purpose. Perhaps to detect insects crawling on the body. In modern society, that's not much of a problem.

    From https://www.glamivibe.com/do-guys-like-tattoos-on-girls/

    So do guys like tattoos on girls? Most guys do find tattoos on women attractive, as long as they are feminine, delicate, and in flattering locations on the body like the shoulder, wrist, or ankle. Small, minimalist tattoos or ones with personal meaning tend to be the most appealing to men.

    According to the article, most men find tattoos on women attractive, but they should be small and hidden. Combined with the article on body hair on women, I conclude that men prefer women with plain skin. It was my hypothesis of blemishes as an explanation, but it could be that men were simply created with this preference.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    The Creator made men find body hair on women unattractive

    Nah he made the hair and made the reproductive mechanism we call sex which is fueled by attraction, clearly the intent (which frankly is a ridiculous concept to argue w.r.t biology so I guess we're working within a religious framework at this point, biology cannot have "intent," being a concept) was that we be attracted to the hair God put there, the attraction to hairlessness was born relatively recently to homo sapiens' existence. I'd believe relative hairlessness is attractive to our species as a whole through a holdover of self selecting us VS neanderthals, except that we didn't war them to extinction, we interbred.

    Frankly shaving at all is spitting in God's face removing the hair he created you with, by the "architect" logic.

    So do guys like tattoos on girls? Most guys do find tattoos on women attractive

    So you again dispute your own argument that all tattoos are interpreted by the brain as "blemishes" and therefore "sickness." If you won't listen to my argument at least listen to yours.

    as long as they are feminine, delicate,

    And women? Do they have the same requirements w.r.t attractive tattoos on men, or do they prefer tattoos that are manly and tough? Perhaps straight men just prefer women who are feminine and delicate, which duh, and this tattoo preference is an extension of that. It also applies to facial features, hairstyles, clothes, so why wouldn't it extend to tattoos?

    I conclude that you conjure conclusions where there are none. Do you come from a country or culture that actually does view tattoos that way, like Japan or (apparently) Korea, by chance? Just a hunch. Japan thinks tattoos are only for criminals, for instance.

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    As I said, body hair on women might have a purpose in societies which are not technologically advanced but as the Brandeis study indicated, most men do not find body hair on women attractive. Consequently, the Creator must have designed men to find body hair on women unattractive.

    I came up with the blemish hypothesis before I read the survey. Note that the survey found that men find tattoos on women attractive if they're small and in hidden locations. Something doesn't make sense. If men find tattoos on women attractive, why do they have to be hidden? To me it suggests that men find tattoos on women attractive if they are hidden, but they don't really care about tattoos on women unlike earrings, which enhances a women's beauty.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    As I said, body hair on women might have a purpose in societies which are not technologically advanced

    Due to the technological advancement we have conditioned ourselves to think this, but as "the architect" designed we have it and we're supposed to like it (by your "architect" logic). It'd be like if your house was designed with window screens but you didn't like them so you took them off, they were put there by the architect for a reason and you are altering the house by taking them away. We're supposed to believe that altering the same house by adding a coat of paint is bad, yet altering it by removing window screens is A-Ok.

    The crux of your issue seems to be that you're so theistic you believe some immortal being directly beams thoughts to your head individually, and thus those thoughts must be "what god intended." Since it's no longer 0BC the rest of us know you're not really talking to the bush.

    You came up with a bad hypothesis and then backed it up with a shoddy study that doesn't draw the conclusions you think it does. Correlation != causation, and I doubt the studies mention "cause god said so" anywhere anyway. It doesn't make sense because you're reading too deep into these studies in an attempt to justify your biases through your religious framework.

    Know what? If god didn't want us to get tattoos he wouldn't have invented tattoo guns, same as razors, howboutdat?

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    A better analogy would be a house designed with security bars on the windows. In a low crime area, the bars could be removed because they make the house less attractitve.

    I believe in what's called intelligent design. This is the belief that the universe including life was the result of an intelligent agency. The nature of the designer such as whether it is immortal is unknown. If the Brandeis study is correct, the designer created men to innately find body hair on women unattractive.

    After further thought, I think my blemish hypothesis is correct. The survey said that men find tattoos on women attractive as long as they're small and hidden. This means that men prefer seeing plain skin on women. The reason could be that men's brains interpret a tattoo as a blemish. A blemish on the skin such as a mole could indicate a health problem.

    The designer created humans with artistic ability.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    If you remove the bars you still lessen your security, no matter how safe you think the neighborhood may be, and you're still going against the architect's design despite your subjective opinion on the beauty (or lack thereof) of the bars. In fact Mosquitos are one of the world's most dangerous animals to this day and those would be the bugs that hair blocks, we still "need" our bars, by your own logic.

    So yes, god (at least with a small "g" unless you specify Allah, Yaweah, Jehovah, Xenu, JHVH-1, El, Prometheus, Ra, Quetzalcoatl, Khnum, etc). Your theory only holds up as "true" (and tenuously at that, if ) if your god is real. Pascals wager is fun and all but until such time as you can prove the existence of such a creator, your conclusions are unprovable.

    After further thought, I think my blemish hypothesis is correct...The reason could be

    You don't even believe your own rationalizations and refuse to let your conscious mind see it. You would have said "is."

    The designer created humans with artistic ability.

    But not the ability to distinguish art from sickness?

    Fun fact, my god told me tattoos are hot and body hair is natural, and my god is bigger than your god, so therefore you're wrong.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    An architect could design a house to be more attractive without security bars but in some areas bars are necessary. Mosquitos are not a big problem in many areas. An area could be sprayed with insecticide if they become a problem. Women also now have the time and equipment to shave their legs and armpits.

    Evidence for a creator is off topic.

    It is simpler to design men to innately find plain skin on women attractive.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    Yeah, now they can shave, but for most of human history that wasn't the case (unless you think we're 2000 yr old and Adam and Eve is literal not apocryphal, the human race is much older than recorded history, which is much older than 2000yr, unless you're one of those "The Devil put dinosaur bones there to fool us" types). If what you say is true we never would have gotten to even develop fire before we died because nobody was shaving so nobody wanted to fuck.

    Evidence for a creator is not off topic, it's the entire crux of your argument. Your argument is literally "god told me to." If god is then not real and instead all of science is correct with the theory of evolution, then your entire argument is also not real. That's kinda the problem with hanging your insane theories on an unprovable creator, technically you can never be "disproven" as you can keep saying "god told me" while ignoring anything inconvenient as you do, but anyone who isn't dumb enough to already fall for that won't ever be convinced.

    But this is already settled, I told you I talked to my god and he said yours is a liar. I will accept no further debate on this topic because my god is infallible and you can't prove otherwise.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Intelligent design simply believes that the universe and life was created by an intelligent agency. There are no religious texts. When women didn't have the equipment or time to shave, they didn't. Removing body hair enhances a women's sexuality but is not required for eroticism no more than makeup or perfume.

    The topic is whether men find tattoos on women attractive not evidence for intelligent design.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    If your argument hinges on "intelligent design is real and The Creator™ made men hate tattoos" you need to prove the first part before the second can be "true." If intelligent design is not real then no creator made men hate tattoos, simple as.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Incorrect. I presented a survey which said that most men find tattoos on women attractive if they are small and in hidden locations. There is no requirement to give a reason. The article didn't give a reason.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    Hair is a blemish? You're out of your goddamn mind

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  • [+] -15 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Really? Do you like women with hairy legs or hair under the armpits?

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    So you want natural skin, but no natural hair growth?

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  • [+] -9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Hair on a woman legs and armpits are not attractive.

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    Yes, but I'm a heterosexual male so I don't know the feelings of gay men.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    I don’t get it. Would you say a river has architecture? Would you refer to an empty desert as a blank canvas? There is no architecture for which there was no intent. Also, canvases are artificial or even abstract constructs — of which our body is not. You seem to be anthropomorphizing things to justify and even romanticize your biases. Interesting use of cognitive load, there.

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  • [+] -14 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    An unblemished human body serves a biological purpose; indication of health. A person with blemishes on the body probably indicates health problems. Although a tattoo is art, the brain interprets it as a blemish. That's the reason it makes skin less attractive.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    A tattoo does not indicate health problems. I don't know where you got this idea, but your idea is wrong.

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  • [+] -6 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    A tattoo does not indicate a health problem, but the brain might interpret it as a blemish on the skin which does indicate a health problem. For example, a mole.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago* (6 children)

    if the brain interprets something as something else, it means the brain is wrong. So… again there’s no blemish. It’s clearly the other brain which has issues — the “observer” — not the tattoo bearer.

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  • [–] -5 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    From https://www.glamivibe.com/do-guys-like-tattoos-on-girls/

    So do guys like tattoos on girls? Most guys do find tattoos on women attractive, as long as they are feminine, delicate, and in flattering locations on the body like the shoulder, wrist, or ankle. Small, minimalist tattoos or ones with personal meaning tend to be the most appealing to men.

    From https://www.brandeis.edu/writing-program/write-now/2021-2022/azevedo-ligia/index.html

    On top of that, the most important confirmation of my research is that men do indeed prefer women without body hair, no matter if it’s located in the leg and/or armpit. In the “choose the most attractive picture” questions, the photo of a woman without body hair was rated significantly more attractive than the one with body hair, with 95.2% of the participants choosing the hairless women. When it came to explaining their answers, the participants stated the following opinions: preferring partners with smooth skin (95.2% of the participants), seeing body hair as an emasculating feature (85.7%), and considering that females “just look better” without body hair (28.5%). These results demonstrate that body hair is associated with femininity, and having a hairless body is an expectation of men towards women.

    I conclude that men prefer plain skin on women. Note that with tattoos on women, men prefer small tattoos in hidden locations.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

    “Most guys” doesn’t mean anything. An average is a pretty bad argument when it comes to making blanket statements about people’s preferences. It ignores culture, health, age, … so many things. But I guess the point is, “it seems like 6 out of 10 people respond yes to this prompt.” It’s shallow, meaningless... It barely makes a scientific statement, let alone defend your assertions. Most guys are personable enough to also not meet such broad statements, if you supply just an ounce of real-life context.

    Your results also don’t demonstrate anything beyond cultural bias in a potentially biased study.

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    The statements weren't broad. They were very specific. Most guys find tattoos on women attractive if they're small and in hidden locations. The results might not be cultural but biological, similar to the study on body hair on women.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    You are overstating your sources.

    A study or article saying some men in some contexts find some tattoos attractive is not evidence for a universal male preference, and it definitely is not evidence for a biological law. “Most guys” is still a blanket claim built from a narrow sample, a specific culture, and a specific framing of attractiveness.

    Same problem with the body-hair point: a preference in one study does not become “men prefer plain skin on women” as though that were some objective truth. It only shows that a sample of participants responded a certain way in a certain setting. That is not the same thing as proving what men generally want across cultures, ages, and individual tastes.

    Also, “small tattoos in hidden locations” is not the same as “men prefer unblemished skin.” That is a different claim entirely. You are quietly inflating “some respondents liked discreet tattoos” into “men prefer women with no marks,” which is a leap, not a conclusion.

    The honest conclusion is much narrower: preferences vary, and your sources do not justify a universal statement about what men like.

    Your position is off putting, though. I can’t just sit here and try to educate you, because your romanticism of what’s effectively premature biological attributes is gross.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    The Brandeis study on body hair was scientific. The survey on tattoos was not but there does seem to be a relationship. Most men find tattoos on women attractive, but they have to be small and hidden. I conclude men prefer women with plain skin. The study on body hair on women is probably correct otherwise women would not spend time and money removing body hair.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    You're making several unsupported jumps.

    First, the body-hair study does not prove a biological preference. At most it shows that a sample of men from a particular culture preferred a particular presentation of women.

    Second, your tattoo source doesn't even support your conclusion. You started with "most men find tattoos attractive if they're small and hidden" and somehow arrived at "men prefer plain skin." Those are not equivalent statements.

    If a man finds a small tattoo attractive, then by definition he is not preferring plain skin in that case.

    Third, "women spend money removing body hair, therefore men biologically prefer it" is a terrible argument. By that logic, because women spend billions on makeup, hair dye, cosmetic surgery, high heels, push-up bras, anti-aging products, and fashion, all of those preferences must also be biological. That's obviously not how social norms work.

    Finally, you're treating "feminine" as though it's an objective biological category when much of what people call feminine changes dramatically across time and culture. Different societies have preferred different body shapes, skin tones, hairstyles, body hair practices, tattoos, piercings, and cosmetic standards.

    What your sources support is a much narrower claim: some men in some populations expressed certain preferences under certain conditions.

    What they absolutely do not support is your repeated claim that women are most feminine when they have completely unmarked skin or that this is some universal male preference.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    a house is not a blank canvas

    "I sit in an empty room with nothing on the walls. No paintings, no posters, not even any light fixtures or furniture. The house is not a canvas for me to decorate."

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