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[–] 74 points 5 months ago (21 children)

The point is that it is unclear which USB C can do what.

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  • [–] 66 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    What's the solution here though? I am 100% unwilling to go back to non-compatible and separate chargers for electronics where not completely necessary. It's awesome taking only my laptop charger with me and being able to charge all devices optimally with it.

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  • [–] 50 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I think the complaint is more about the ports on computers, and the answer is for manufacturers to label the ports and for users to read them.

    That last part is admittedly hard for a lot of people (myself includes at times).

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    The issue is, that's not even enough! For example, the Dell 120 W laptop charger only supports 5V/1A or 20V/6A output, so phones will mostly charge at 5W because they dont support 20V input. Then there's all the different charging protocols... Oh boy.

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    there are too many standards.

    for most part, rather than all that mess, maybe just stamp the cable/port with max wattage and max speed. So rather than worry about what standard am I using, I just know what I have and what goes where.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Right now, it looks like it's mostly usb-c everything (with "the more watts, the better", and the apple stuff being generally compliant becaus of the legislation pressure, but really not because their stuff is (intentionally) not completely working the same way. There's also a minority of "just shitty chargers and cables", but I'm speaking of brand-name space

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  • It’s the USB Implementers Forum’s job to standardize these things, and they’ve just been doing a bad job. The naming scheme is a mess and the requirements are so loose, manufacturers just kinda hit whatever specs they want.

    They need to set specific comprehensive list of technical requirements for each class of USB-C cable and port, reduce the number of classes (no more than 3-5), and make the naming scheme and logo design of those classes very clear and obvious to the less informed.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    There’s supposed to be specfic icons the manufacturers can print next to the port. It’s not perfect, but at least it’s easy to know at a glance eg. whether it can double as a displayport or not and whether it can double as an input charging port or not.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    All mine are either labelled such that they are differentiated clearly from other on-device ports, identical to all others, or they are the only port on the device. While i could complain about the specific symbols and lack of standardization there, I have one singular device i care about fast charging with. So it's rather moot once i identify the high power port.

    More USBC plz. Looking forward to the 230V standard.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    And why exactly would that matter? Your devices automatically negotiate to the most effective alternative. If you want to streamline it, you read the manual? FWIW I've never had a device with completely unlabeled ports...

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago

    Cable only charging, only this, only that speed.

    Device A only this, only that.

    Device B see A.

    No 5 kOhm resistors on the CC pins? Not even 5V charging works for C->C. I love USB C, absolutely do not get me wrong, but holy fuck this willy nilly bullshit destroys it. Just make USB3, then 4 years later etc. with very specific things it must be able to do and mark all devices and be done with it.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I mean, it's not 20 of them like the picture suggests - it's like 2 or 3 depending on what yoou have. And I have laptop chargers everywhere, and a good powerbank, so I'm covered. And I also have a GaN universal hub with several plugs, so I can plug in US or EU and have a lot of watts coming onnthe other side. So I feel like the chargers war is over and now we can just use stuff.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (4 children)

    Sure but to be fair the vast majority of devices charges fine with the baseline 5V/1A, even if a bit slower.

    Exception is larger devices like laptops but I can’t say it’s a huge problem as their larger chargers are distinct enough

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    I'm having some cheap devices with USB C plugs to charge, that stubbornly refuse to get charged with "better" cables. Only the real cheap ones work.
    Probably because some pins must not be used or something, but it really sucks needing a separate cable around just for those devices

    I get, that not every cable or device can support fast charging, but the other way round should at least work

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Except that C to C only works when the receiving device has at least the required 5 kOhm resistors on the CC pins. Otherwise nada. But guess what? Lots of shit does not, so only charges from USB A.

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