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COLLAPSE of Personal Computing | Investigation Into the Destruction of Ownership - Gamers Nexus (www.youtube.com)
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[–] 29 points 5 months ago (8 children)

I already commented on the video that i currently own a PC and when it breaks i'll find another hobby rather than give money to those greedy AI skinsuits.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children)

    I'll just replace it with comparable performance parts. What used to cost £500 now costs more like £200 if you are happy with a similar level of performance. Look at the steam deck, and that includes the price of a battery, touchscreen and controller inputs!

    I wonder how far we are from onboard graphics being comparable to my now 8 year old GPU...

    Edit - just looked it up, Radeon 780M is from last gen Ryzen CPUs, not sure when/if G series processors are coming for 9000s CPUs or not. Looks like it might be comparable to a 1050Ti, so they are getting there and that isn't exactly bad performance.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago* (5 children)

    You should watch the video, because your comment misunderstands it completely. The point is that in the future there will be no new consumergrade PC components on the market at all, because only a couple of huge corps will survive and they will achieve total monopoly of the market.

    It is not a question of price or anything like that, they will simply stop producing it in favour of datacenters, where you can lease computerpower (through AI agents).

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Phone sales are massive aren't they? You can buy computers with the same components that some phones use. Currently not overly popular but that might be where we end up.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (2 children)

    I'm convinced that modular PCs are ... at least a flavor of the future.

    MiniPC with higher spec laptop or mobile cpu, soldered on to a mobo that has sodimm slots.

    Oculink port, external gpu dock with psu.

    CPU gets too old? Keep your ssd and sys ram, get a new mini pc, put the ssd and ram into it.

    GPU gets too old? Get a new one, new PSU if you need it.

    Yeah, you get a slight ding to extreme performance scenarios, but at least at the moment, this seems to be the more cost effective route to get something like a 'ultra graphics at 1440p' capable system.

    Also, once you get the GPU dock, you probably don't really need to get a new one... unless like an entirely new PCIe standard comes out, or something like that.

    But, you can currently get a bare bones one thats around the cost of all the fans and cpu heatsinks and what not that you'd need for a traditional 'battlestation'.

    Also also, when not gaming or doing something graphically or LLM or whatever kind of demanding, you can just boot up the MiniPC alone and have a lower power bill.

    If you want more long term storage, set up a NAS, or maybe just some usb external spinny spinny HDDs.

    This kind of thing is already a fairly rapidly growing niche in China, if you hop on AliExpress and just look at how many different kinds of things are offered and roughly fit into this kind of setup scenario.

    AOOSTAR, Minisforum, others, etc.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    PCs are already modular and have been for decades. My CPU has a heat sink larger than a MiniPC.

    That said I have been tempted by a MiniPC for a low power device, and with how good graphics can be on some CPUs you could do some fairly decent gaming on them too. But that is probably more than I would want to spend on one yet.

    Currently game on an RTX2070, no plan on upgrading for more performance any time soon as it is plenty. I wonder how many generations we are from CPU graphics being comparable?

    Not sure how they manage for the higher end CPUs that are going to put out quite a bit more heat.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I'm just using modular to describe like... a series of connected independent things that is not inside of one box.

    I don't know that there's an actual term for this, and I get that yes standard PCs have modular component sets and configurations, but I mean more like a motorcycle and a side car, than ... a car model with different trim levels.

    Uh anyway, how far away are we from CPU integrated gfx being equivalent to modern GPUs?

    Probably infinity amount of time.

    Because CPUs and GPUs are basically defined by the different kinds of math they are optimized to do.

    When you shove both of those things into one chip, that's an APU, like what the Steam Deck or some consoles have.

    When you jam CPU and basically LLM optimized chiplets together, thats apparently called an NPU.

    All those AI Max's and what not.

    They can do GPU type things, but not as well as a similar caliber of APU... LLM math is similar to but not quite the same as GPU math... GPUs need a whole bunch of shit to handle unpredictable/rapidly changing 'problems' they are solving, whereas LLM get gigantic problems and then chew through them one at a time.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    I know the video is over 3 hours long but you should watch it and should be concerned because how it's going eventually there won't be "comparable performance parts" or any parts whatsoever and it's not a problem that you can resolve later it's a problem that's growing right now and will only get worse.

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