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Surplus value (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
submitted 5 months ago by to c/flippanarchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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[–] 25 points 5 months ago (10 children)

Everyone's hours would be equally valued. The problem is not every job's hours is equal.

You would have lots of people in white collar jobs, but you would struggle to fill positions like sanitation worker, oil rig worker etc.

The issue is not with currency, the problem is with capital markets and value that is not directly linked to a product or time.

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago

    Lots of white collar jobs just straight up shouldn't exist. Not all, but a lot of them.

    But also hours should be for luxury items and basic necessities should be free for everyone.

    The hour system on its own just pushes the issues with capitalism one step back.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Sanitation is definitely one of those jobs that don't get valued and paid enough.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Would you be surprised to learn that a lot of those guys are making 65k with union benefits?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Not that much. That's like ~$43k after taxes which doesn't seem like a lot for most major cities. Good luck affording a home with that wage, and forget about saving for retirement or even regular vacations when rent can easily eat up half the remaining money.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    More like 58k after taxes. And you won't find me arguing against the fact that we're in an affordability crisis. 58k should get you a house or the pay should be enough to get a house. But that goes for everyone in the working class, not just garbage collectors.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Isn't that backwards? You would get more sanitation workers if they were paid the same as white collar

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    The fact that we're making different assumptions highlights how different people want to do different things.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    I think you misunderstood

    I'm saying, if everyone was paid equally, sanitation workers would be paid better than they currently are. So it would, necessarily, be easier to find people willing to do it

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Working on an oil rig is a lot more dangerous than most white collar jobs. The time cost would have to account for the expected years of your life that you lose from taking on that job.

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