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[–] 88 points 5 months ago (61 children)

eyyy there goes $140 million dollars just so the chuds could take their chud-to-be tax burden kids to gawk at the military propaganda while saying "whooooa look at da airpwane"

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  • [–] 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (11 children)

    I hate this take. Air shows are awesome, they fascinate children and adults alike. Seeing these machines first hand is inspiring...

    There's little enough in this world that I would describe as "inspiring", so I'll take what I can get.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Petty name calling, what a great addition to this community.

    Almost ironic really, I'm appreciating childlike wonder, and you're acting like a child.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    I'm divided on airshows. I get that the spectacle is impressive. They're also literal monuments to war that are burning an excessive amount of fuel to operate.

    I get that you probably don't have multiple military aircraft flying overhead every day. I chose to live in San Diego without knowing that was gonna be my version of the train that I had to learn to ignore. So that probably colors my thinking, as well as being a Navy Vet.

    Personally I'd prefer more museums so they can be shown off without burning more fuel than is needed.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Seing one operating in person and seing one on display are two very different things.

    But military airshows are not just for ordinary people to be amazed. It's an opportunity for the manufacturer to market their airplanes.

    And while it does burn a lot of fuel. It's nothing compared to all the private jets flying around the world.

    I'm pretty sure Taylor Swifts jet burns more fuel in a year than all airshows combined.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    you are "pretty sure"... that flying hundreds of aircraft at the limits of their acceleration and capabilities (to put on a dramatic show for spectators) at hundreds of air shows around the world... uses less fuel than a single private jet flying routine passenger deliveries ?

    press X to doubt

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    They're not flying the jets anywhere near the limit on airshows. For one it's just not safe for the public. And secondly no one wants to reveal the actual limits to enemies.

    And yes. I think it's entierly possible. Seeing as she's taken her jet for a whooping 40 second flight just to get from one side of LA to the other.

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago (26 children)

    So are drag races and monster truck rallies. Big and fast machines attract and fascinate mostly men.

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  • [–] 31 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    ..which aren’t (usually) paid for with taxpayer dollars

    But I’m guessing doing air shows counts towards training hours, so they’re going to be flying those planes regardless. Still feels like a massive waste when two of them crash and burn in a show though

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    Most airshows I've been aren't put on by the military, they are usually just invited to a segment but often times they don't even show up.

    Most planes are privately owned like old planes or stunt pilots.

    The military jets definitely cost money to move around so it is an extra expense

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    There should be an option of going to a simpler airshow. Planes takes off, circle the airfield and land, one after the other.

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    Air shows are pretty far reaching, you don't have to be in the paid box seating to watch generally. For example in San Francisco you just have to be anywhere with view to the water, in Salinas its a pretty small airport so you can be anywhere around it but tickets to get in are like $30 so its worth it to me to go in and be able to climb around helicopters and stuff, see the robotics and other stuff people bring and the play area for our kid to socialize a bit with kids

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    That's definitely not true. Maybe it is in the US, but seeing machines go fast or tackle complex challenges isn't a gender-specific thing. For example, 42% of Formula 1 fans are female. Plenty of women spectating and competing at drag strips, land speed, rally, etc.

    The old conservative culture of assuming things of people or pigeonholing them based on gender—like, "attract and fascinate mostly men"—is not as relevant as it used to be back in the old days, nor should it be preserved.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    you're just be pedantic. The issue isn't about it being "mostly", it's about if its a "men's" thing. A 42/58 isn't that wide of a gap to say that it's one gender's thing. As the difference could likely just be attributed to other cultural factors and not the thing itself.

    If office workers were split 42/58, you wouldn't call it a "man's" job, even if technically there's more men.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Only if it's young dudes playing. Conservative men also love movies where it's mostly just young dudes (like that 300 movie where the cast is all handsome young dudes in leather panties being led by an older middle aged dude) They really seem to prefer young dudes in general I guess.

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  • [–] 32 points 5 months ago (17 children)

    Stfu, airshows and jets are fun to watch

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago* (6 children)

    They're fun as fuck. Some of the best pics I have are from an air show! f35

    ^f35 doing a zooom!

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    They're fun as fuck.

    Some of the best pics I have are from an air show! f35

    F-22 for life lol, 2000s era Lockheed tincan doesn't even look good after they threw all my tax money at it.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    Air shows appeal to the male fantasy of being Tom Cruise / go really fast

    Kickstart My Heart but you're avoiding Air Defense in WW3

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Fuck off. Girls also like to go fast and literally flying. Seeing the pinnacle of flight engineering and human ability is enjoyable in the same ways as a car, tech, robotics, boats, trains, etc... Show or race. Weird thread of people wanting to be mad.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    If they were free and couldn’t kill anyone etc.

    Relatively intriguing 6-foot-tall bipeds are able to travel through the air in such a manner

    reminded of comiccomic: “I WISH THAT I COULD GO BACK IN TIME SO I COULD BLOW EVERYBODY'S MINDS WITH MY INCREDIBLE KNOWLEDGE OF THE FUTURE! SO HOW DO YOU MAKE ONE OF THESE "CELL-PHONES"? I DON'T KNOW”

    Obviously not advocating for anything

    Just “how’d humans engineer that! I couldn’t build a good bike!”

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    See also: monster trucks, demolition derbies, fireworks, contact sports, and so much more. Wasteful and dangerous? Yep. Fun? Also yep.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    In fairness to contact sports / martial arts, when done properly, they can be significantly less dangerous, teach discipline and respect, instill a sense of realism and proportionality regarding the application of violence, keep you in decent physical shape, provide your life with a routine structure, and provide some real world socializing/social group.

    Many also come with some kind of a philosophy that stresses self defense and essentially a 'duty to retreat' mentality: violence is always the last resort.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Many also come with some kind of a philosophy that stresses self defense and essentially a 'duty to retreat' mentality: violence is always the last resort.

    Can confirm, every sensei I've had pushed this mentality constantly. The people who joined to "learn how to beat people up" never lasted very long when the first thing we'd teach is "how to run away"

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Perfect example of the kind of comment that makes social media so toxic to everyone.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    I see some people make similar comments in the gun community here in Australia. Everything they disagree with is considered controversial

    These things are often in part military recruitment drives. There are plenty of airshows that don't use fighter jets and don't have military booths there (which I'm guessing is happening at that airshow).

    My aerobatics instructor (who actually once had a mid air collision and still managed to land the plane by using thrust to pitch) used to fly at a lot of smaller shows where it was genuinely about planes and the pilots, and no hidden agenda

    It doesn't mean the pilots are there for the military, but it is a huge part of it imho. It's cool to see military planes, but, they're there so people go "wow, I want to join "air force"

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