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Trump on Iran: At least 13 US service men and over 3400 Iranian service men, with an estimated 10,000 civilian casualties - including 168 school children (discuss.online)
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[–] 29 points 6 months ago* (10 children)

It is honestly pretty funny, because Obama's Iran deal was too complicated a topic for the average American to understand or form an independent opinion on, so Trump came in and criticized it, painting it in oversimplified terms, and it worked because Americans are not an intellectual people (to put it mildly) and also didn't care.

Then he does this huge unforced error, sends gas prices skyrocketing, suddenly Americans actually start caring while Trump's messaging is completely unfocused and all over the place, and the old deal, previously a nuanced compromise, suddenly looks fantastic in comparison.

Yeah, Obama sucks, but you gotta appreciate the schadenfreude and karma of watching the right humiliate themselves and collapse their own narrative entirely by their own actions.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    fuck u, we have dozens of intellectuals! DOZEENNNS!!!

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Your first paragraph makes the assumption that the American people are/were on board with what is happening with Iran. Trump never attempted to get the population to support his actions. It's deeply unpopular with his base and liberals alike.

    With project 2025 they seized all levers of control. Checks and balances, if they ever existed, are all but gone. Seems the courts are the only thing left that produce any pushback and that is an intentionally slow process vs the move fast and break things actions of Trump.

    He doesn't care about his approval ratings, and congress isn't doing their job. Huge amounts of aipac money are being pumped into all levels of government. Disinformation campaigns from 24/7 news stations keep the normies divided. Bot farms are further manipulating the online narrative using ai.

    The whole thing is fucked, but it's a little more nuanced than the general population not understanding (or frankly wanting to understand) the JCPOA.

    Our government has basically been overthrown, and other than protests or violence, there is nothing we can do to stop it until November. We don't have a viable mechanism to eject Trump in the meantime, and he's going to continue stacking the deck in his favor with gerrymandering and other sketchy shit until then.

    Turns out money and power runs things, and that doesn't produce the best outcomes.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    The whole thing is fucked, but it’s a little more nuanced than the general population not understanding (or frankly wanting to understand) the JCPOA.

    But I'm not talking about "the whole thing," I'm talking about this specific thing.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    So specifically, how would being aware of the intricacies of the JCPOA change anything?

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago*

    If people were more aware of the intricacies of the JCPOA, they might have been more skeptical of Trump's narrative regarding it.

    I'm not really sure what you're asking tbh. Change what? I don't recall saying that it would've changed anything, only that it was true.

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  • [+] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)
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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    congratulations: you’ve found a crumb of smugness amongst the wreckage of our present lives.

    Thank you. Without crumbs I'd starve.

    I'm not sure when we moved beyond being able to make fun of reactionaries for creating problems for themselves, Wily Coyote style, but I'm not sure we should've left.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    We absolutely should continue to mock and ridicule everything these fascist fucks do. I don't know what that guy is smoking but mockery and ridicule are one of the most effective rhetorical tactics when it comes to the chronically reality deprived.

    I think some people see it as "making light" of the topic, and sure, it's important to not let it distract from reality. But we can walk and chew discordant gum at the same time.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Yeah, they don't really mind being seen as evil or cruel, they relish it and brag about it. They are, of course, evil and cruel, but they're also ignorant and shortsighted. If you can't laugh at them sawing off the branch they're sitting on, while jerking off about how butthurt the libs will be that they totally owned that tree, I just don't know what to tell you.

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