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Proof of AI-assisted political profiling by Unruffled @ lemmy.dbzer0.com Discussion & Question (join.piefed.social)
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from the mod log:

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https://s.faf-pb.xyz/lXxek was the old url but they took it down - I have a copy at https://join.piefed.social/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/evidence-llm-used-for-banning.txt

The output from the LLM was provided as proof that someone needed to be banned.

I didn't want to do this but my hand was forced by their dissembling, minimization and bullshit. Note how the output includes a nice big logo with a slogan and ascii graphics - this was not a one-off experiment, this is an app they were proud to call their own.

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[โ€“] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

I saw the post on dbzer0 related to libb's lock action. I guess, your real question is my position in this mess ? So be it.

I don't want to take side. It was posted by the Admin of Piefed.social and raised an issue on how we handle the moderation part. This post is also there because someone asked why Rimu doesn't post in !fediverse@piefed.social.

  • I haven't be able to diggest this enormous raw of informations. I prefer taking my time and read them slowly outside the current debate.
  • Both Rimu and Dbzer0 can counter-arguments, expose their facts and users can decide. I'm watching. I will lock the post later so i can take a break.
  • As for myself, I would have handled differently.
  • I have a mixed opinion on AI. I use it for subtitle or transcript. There are pro and cons. Dbzer0 stated they don't use it, or run a local one on you computers. I believe them.
  • I understand why people would feel their privacy was invaded, i'm one of these. The reason we left Reddit was for spez locking up API and later corpoAI. But our post are public and we check user's history before taking decision.
  • I also understand why mods would use this tool. It is covenient, fast but that's not how i would handle or imagine the moderation part.

Maybe my opinion would change overtime if i was managing a bigger instance.

As for the discussion between Unruffled and Libb, It's better to let them alone.

If Libb want to disengage from the current discussion, so let it be. I don't think it is worth to insist and ask him to discuss when he doesn't want to.

Maybe they both missed an interesting discussion and misunderstood each other ? Maybe later they could share their ideas, books and define part of anarchy in the 21 century ? Maybe they will completly disagree ? Dunno.

Maybe, they could also imagine a disengage tool where anyone, not only mods, can lock their own threads and tell users "i don't want to continue this discussion."

Right now, It is not the right time. It's not the right place for a talk between libb and unruffled.

So i'm waiting for a better moment and that we cool down.

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  • [โ€“] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Not a question, more a comment/feedback.

    I consider libb's reply less disengaging and more enrage and block, which I consider inappropriate for a mod to do.

    Regarding the larger bit with rimu and this post in general (not what my comment was about, but I'll elaborate since you took the time to do so as well), the issue - for me - comes down to veracity.

    I think its perfectly appropriate to call out bad actions. I have no problems whatsoever expressing my disappointment with the FAF when it has come up, which has been rare, and expressed those thoughts without any issue whatsoever. One example being a discussion about defederation, where some of the examples shown should/would have been removed anyway due to the rule breaking contents.

    Anyway, for me, claims like this should be met with a pinned post that they haven't been verified, and each user should review and consider accordingly.

    For example - is there a tool using an llm reviewing comments at request of a user? Yes, easily proven.

    Is it an automod? No. That claim is unverifiable with what has been shared, and not even remotely indicated by what was shared, making the bulk of this post conjecture.

    As for the points (I'm going to skip ones I fully understand and agree with to not make this too long, because I have a feeling you are already occupied with keeping an eye out for rule breaking behavior):

    have a mixed opinion on AI. I use it for subtitle or transcript. There are pro and cons. Dbzer0 stated they don't use it, or run a local one on you computers. I believe them.

    Same. They definitely run locally, as do I, the ai horde has been a publicly available tool for a long time. I'm very much against corp. ai, but perfectly fine with local use.

    But our post are public and we check user's history before taking decision.

    And most importantly, none of that is different here. Everything else in this post is just wild speculations and blatant fear mongering. Which is the issue I have with this post, and why I think a pinned comment is appropriate.

    As for the discussion between Unruffled and Libb, It's better to let them alone.

    Again, I was more referring to their interaction with db0.

    Flat out inappropriate, no excuses that are valid there IMO.

    Edit: Autocorrect typo corrections

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