▲ 963 ▼ someDaysAreBetterThanOthers (lemmy.radio) submitted 6 months ago by cm0002@literature.cafe to c/programmer_humor@programming.dev 166 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] SHBI7368@sh.itjust.works 137 points 6 months ago (69 children) god dam where they getting that permalink fedilink source hideshow 69 child comments replies: [–] femtek@lemmy.blahaj.zone 100 points 6 months ago (34 children) Maybe that's the monthly pay permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 34 child comments replies: [–] tdawg@lemmy.world 36 points 6 months ago (19 children) If do contract work that's not even that much permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] femtek@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 6 months ago (2 children) True, then insurance and no time off or other benefits would suck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mcv@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 months ago It's only "no time off" if that's what you want. It's time off whenever you want (and sometimes when you don't want). permalink fedilink source parent [–] 418_im_a_teapot@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago Accurate. Source: 20 years solo. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (6 children) Contract work is rarely direct deposit, though? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 6 months ago (4 children) US banking is weird. How would it be paid instead? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago* (3 children) I've never hired a software consultant, but most of the time when I hire a company or person to do contract work like roofing, gardening or similar they prefer to be paid by check. Sometimes they accept credit cards, but usually not when the bill is over a certain amount, due to the cut going to the card company. Furthermore, "Direct Deposit" is basically a special term used for people getting their wages or salary paid to their bank account, as opposed to receiving it by check or cash. Other types of bank-to-bank transfers have different names, like "wire transfer" or "ACH transfer". Americans love overcomplicating things in general, and particularly love using overly specific and technical names for stuff. There's acronyms everywhere, and things are named after weird technicalities. Like nobody says "retirement account", they call it "401(k)", named after the paragraph in the law which defines it. You find stuff like that everywhere if you look. Some of their coins don't even have a value printed on them, you just have to memorize how much they're worth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mcv@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 months ago In Europe (maybe also elsewhere outside the US?) nearly all transactions are simply direct bank transactions. Occasionally facilitated through some app, but usually it's just your own bank's app. Nobody has used checks for decades, and the only reason we're using credit cards is because the US keeps forcing them on us. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 3 points 6 months ago You just have to memorize the coins Plus they are not even logically ordered by size or anything. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago Americans love overcomplicating things in general, and particularly love using overly specific and technical names for stuff. There’s acronyms everywhere, and things are named after weird technicalities. Like nobody says “retirement account”, they call it “401(k)”, named after the paragraph in the law which defines it. As a plus, I can greatly confuse and terrify an Irish person by telling them about the thousands I send "to the old IRA" every year. 😂 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Kraiden@piefed.social 2 points 6 months ago (8 children) A month!? I know it's regional but that's low for a monthly deposit for a contractor! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 8 points 6 months ago (6 children) If you're a self employed contractor, you're taking taxes and insurance out yourself, not from what you'd be paid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 4 points 6 months ago (3 children) Right, which would happen after the direct deposit, so your entire tangent about taxes and insurance seems irrelevant to the meme and conversation involving the amount in the meme. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [–] tyler@programming.dev 21 points 6 months ago Nah, that’s a normal paycheck for a medium level engineer in any American big city. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 8 points 6 months ago Nay, daily. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 6 points 6 months ago (11 children) Yeah that’s a very big monthly pay permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (10 children) $150,000/yr (yes big, less than median for software engineers in the US) is $2k/week, $8k/month Edit: $2k/week after taxes because direct deposit is the context of this discussion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] brave_lemmywinks@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago How dare you question his math?! He gets paid 96k /150k for that! permalink fedilink source parent [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 4 points 6 months ago this is about a deposit so it’s take home 401k etc makes this fuzzy permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago As far as I know, $150K isn't less than the median for software engineers in the entire US . It is less than the median for Senior/Lead Software Engineers though, so maybe that still works for you. In a HCOL city, you likely get far more than this amount, but it wouldn't go nearly as far obviously. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (7 replies) [–] BartyDeCanter@piefed.social 52 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children) Eh, that looks like typical take home for a staff level engineer in a big city. Edit: Assuming they get paid every two weeks, that’s an annual take home of $161,122. Depending on state taxes, insurance coverage, 401k contributions, dependents, etc, that’s a base salary of $200-250k. Which, yeah, that’s what I budget for a staff salary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Bananskal@nord.pub 11 points 6 months ago $161,122 Heck, I'd be pulling more than that if I were a self-employed consultant rather than under a consulting firm, in our small city in northern Scandinavia. Now I'm raking in a little below that, and I'm taking out like a third of it as actual salary and saving the rest, to avoid high taxes, and to to pay for a leased car, pension saving, extra insurance etc, before taxes. But after all that I'm probably saving $3k every month tax free, and maybe $1,5k in my bank account. Engineering life is pretty okay. Still can't afford a house yet though. Thanks boomers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] glitches_brew@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (1 child) Key phrase is "big city". I'm a staff and there's a mid on my team that moved to Seattle. His cost of living adjustment when he moved allows him to make more than I do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago I think for a SF based company 200 - 250k salary is typical for even a senior engineer. permalink fedilink source parent [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago Monthly it's about what I'd expect for a low-medium experience engineer. But I'm an industrial engineer not software. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 59 points 6 months ago (13 children) That's not that outrageous as a higher-level IC in a big tech company in a big city. But if you're that senior you're not questioning why you became an engineer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] otterpop@lemmy.world 57 points 6 months ago (3 children) There's a reason the typical dev career pipeline ends at farmer. People get tired of all the bs and leave never to be seen again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago Literal farmer. In the dirt. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago I'd say it is more accurate to say that the typical dev dreams about it ending as a farmer. I only know of a single guy that made it happen, proud of him though! permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] tyler@programming.dev 35 points 6 months ago (8 children) I mean, you definitely do. I know numerous people that dropped the field entirely (including me) even though the pay is ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago (5 children) Already farming? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] tyler@programming.dev 26 points 6 months ago (3 children) Woodworking, close enough? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago Same ballpark yeah permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago Mr Offerman? permalink fedilink source parent [–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago I approve of this. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 9 points 6 months ago Sometimes it is just a really intense garden. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago I also left, the industry is toxic right now. Circus for me permalink fedilink source parent [–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago Oh, you definitely wonder how long you can keep up with the corpo bullshit, but that wasn't the vibe I was getting from the first panel. That was giving me more of a "junior engineer who can't get something to work" vibe. I've traded half my pay for more fulfilling work and less corpo bullshit before, but I didn't quit engineering. I see some people dreaming about leaving it all behind and buying a farm, but what they all had in common was zero farming experience. The grass is always greener and all that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 6 months ago (1 child) Lockheed Martin permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago Lol they are not permalink fedilink source parent [–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (2 children) It doesn't say it's salary. A lot of companies pay out bonuses right around now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) That's on the high end, but not so high it's uncommon, for a salary paid biweekly to a senior engineer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago (2 children) If that's monthly pay, that's at or below average. If that's bi-weekly......fuck I need to up my engineering game. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) In the US... Different in other parts of the world, even in Europe this is a high salary (but it reminds me to still ask for a raise...) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago California. It goes with high cost of living. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnotherMadHatter@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago Mechanical Engineer (union) with 20 years experience, slightly underpaid at $76.33/hr in (just north of the) Seattle area. permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 months ago Closer to $200-$250K depending on how much you withhold for 401k. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 months ago If you can add AI to your title somehow, that might even be midrange. I was talking to someone who has not been doing this long pushing pretty close to a half million dollar salary and then bonuses on top. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] femtek@lemmy.blahaj.zone 100 points 6 months ago (34 children) Maybe that's the monthly pay permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 34 child comments replies: [–] tdawg@lemmy.world 36 points 6 months ago (19 children) If do contract work that's not even that much permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] femtek@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 6 months ago (2 children) True, then insurance and no time off or other benefits would suck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mcv@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 months ago It's only "no time off" if that's what you want. It's time off whenever you want (and sometimes when you don't want). permalink fedilink source parent [–] 418_im_a_teapot@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago Accurate. Source: 20 years solo. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (6 children) Contract work is rarely direct deposit, though? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 6 months ago (4 children) US banking is weird. How would it be paid instead? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago* (3 children) I've never hired a software consultant, but most of the time when I hire a company or person to do contract work like roofing, gardening or similar they prefer to be paid by check. Sometimes they accept credit cards, but usually not when the bill is over a certain amount, due to the cut going to the card company. Furthermore, "Direct Deposit" is basically a special term used for people getting their wages or salary paid to their bank account, as opposed to receiving it by check or cash. Other types of bank-to-bank transfers have different names, like "wire transfer" or "ACH transfer". Americans love overcomplicating things in general, and particularly love using overly specific and technical names for stuff. There's acronyms everywhere, and things are named after weird technicalities. Like nobody says "retirement account", they call it "401(k)", named after the paragraph in the law which defines it. You find stuff like that everywhere if you look. Some of their coins don't even have a value printed on them, you just have to memorize how much they're worth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mcv@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 months ago In Europe (maybe also elsewhere outside the US?) nearly all transactions are simply direct bank transactions. Occasionally facilitated through some app, but usually it's just your own bank's app. Nobody has used checks for decades, and the only reason we're using credit cards is because the US keeps forcing them on us. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 3 points 6 months ago You just have to memorize the coins Plus they are not even logically ordered by size or anything. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago Americans love overcomplicating things in general, and particularly love using overly specific and technical names for stuff. There’s acronyms everywhere, and things are named after weird technicalities. Like nobody says “retirement account”, they call it “401(k)”, named after the paragraph in the law which defines it. As a plus, I can greatly confuse and terrify an Irish person by telling them about the thousands I send "to the old IRA" every year. 😂 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Kraiden@piefed.social 2 points 6 months ago (8 children) A month!? I know it's regional but that's low for a monthly deposit for a contractor! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 8 points 6 months ago (6 children) If you're a self employed contractor, you're taking taxes and insurance out yourself, not from what you'd be paid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 4 points 6 months ago (3 children) Right, which would happen after the direct deposit, so your entire tangent about taxes and insurance seems irrelevant to the meme and conversation involving the amount in the meme. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [–] tyler@programming.dev 21 points 6 months ago Nah, that’s a normal paycheck for a medium level engineer in any American big city. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 8 points 6 months ago Nay, daily. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 6 points 6 months ago (11 children) Yeah that’s a very big monthly pay permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (10 children) $150,000/yr (yes big, less than median for software engineers in the US) is $2k/week, $8k/month Edit: $2k/week after taxes because direct deposit is the context of this discussion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] brave_lemmywinks@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago How dare you question his math?! He gets paid 96k /150k for that! permalink fedilink source parent [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 4 points 6 months ago this is about a deposit so it’s take home 401k etc makes this fuzzy permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago As far as I know, $150K isn't less than the median for software engineers in the entire US . It is less than the median for Senior/Lead Software Engineers though, so maybe that still works for you. In a HCOL city, you likely get far more than this amount, but it wouldn't go nearly as far obviously. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (7 replies)
[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 36 points 6 months ago (19 children) If do contract work that's not even that much permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] femtek@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 6 months ago (2 children) True, then insurance and no time off or other benefits would suck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mcv@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 months ago It's only "no time off" if that's what you want. It's time off whenever you want (and sometimes when you don't want). permalink fedilink source parent [–] 418_im_a_teapot@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago Accurate. Source: 20 years solo. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (6 children) Contract work is rarely direct deposit, though? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 6 months ago (4 children) US banking is weird. How would it be paid instead? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago* (3 children) I've never hired a software consultant, but most of the time when I hire a company or person to do contract work like roofing, gardening or similar they prefer to be paid by check. Sometimes they accept credit cards, but usually not when the bill is over a certain amount, due to the cut going to the card company. Furthermore, "Direct Deposit" is basically a special term used for people getting their wages or salary paid to their bank account, as opposed to receiving it by check or cash. Other types of bank-to-bank transfers have different names, like "wire transfer" or "ACH transfer". Americans love overcomplicating things in general, and particularly love using overly specific and technical names for stuff. There's acronyms everywhere, and things are named after weird technicalities. Like nobody says "retirement account", they call it "401(k)", named after the paragraph in the law which defines it. You find stuff like that everywhere if you look. Some of their coins don't even have a value printed on them, you just have to memorize how much they're worth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mcv@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 months ago In Europe (maybe also elsewhere outside the US?) nearly all transactions are simply direct bank transactions. Occasionally facilitated through some app, but usually it's just your own bank's app. Nobody has used checks for decades, and the only reason we're using credit cards is because the US keeps forcing them on us. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 3 points 6 months ago You just have to memorize the coins Plus they are not even logically ordered by size or anything. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago Americans love overcomplicating things in general, and particularly love using overly specific and technical names for stuff. There’s acronyms everywhere, and things are named after weird technicalities. Like nobody says “retirement account”, they call it “401(k)”, named after the paragraph in the law which defines it. As a plus, I can greatly confuse and terrify an Irish person by telling them about the thousands I send "to the old IRA" every year. 😂 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Kraiden@piefed.social 2 points 6 months ago (8 children) A month!? I know it's regional but that's low for a monthly deposit for a contractor! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 8 points 6 months ago (6 children) If you're a self employed contractor, you're taking taxes and insurance out yourself, not from what you'd be paid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 4 points 6 months ago (3 children) Right, which would happen after the direct deposit, so your entire tangent about taxes and insurance seems irrelevant to the meme and conversation involving the amount in the meme. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] femtek@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 6 months ago (2 children) True, then insurance and no time off or other benefits would suck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mcv@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 months ago It's only "no time off" if that's what you want. It's time off whenever you want (and sometimes when you don't want). permalink fedilink source parent [–] 418_im_a_teapot@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago Accurate. Source: 20 years solo. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 months ago It's only "no time off" if that's what you want. It's time off whenever you want (and sometimes when you don't want). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 418_im_a_teapot@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago Accurate. Source: 20 years solo. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (6 children) Contract work is rarely direct deposit, though? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 6 months ago (4 children) US banking is weird. How would it be paid instead? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago* (3 children) I've never hired a software consultant, but most of the time when I hire a company or person to do contract work like roofing, gardening or similar they prefer to be paid by check. Sometimes they accept credit cards, but usually not when the bill is over a certain amount, due to the cut going to the card company. Furthermore, "Direct Deposit" is basically a special term used for people getting their wages or salary paid to their bank account, as opposed to receiving it by check or cash. Other types of bank-to-bank transfers have different names, like "wire transfer" or "ACH transfer". Americans love overcomplicating things in general, and particularly love using overly specific and technical names for stuff. There's acronyms everywhere, and things are named after weird technicalities. Like nobody says "retirement account", they call it "401(k)", named after the paragraph in the law which defines it. You find stuff like that everywhere if you look. Some of their coins don't even have a value printed on them, you just have to memorize how much they're worth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mcv@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 months ago In Europe (maybe also elsewhere outside the US?) nearly all transactions are simply direct bank transactions. Occasionally facilitated through some app, but usually it's just your own bank's app. Nobody has used checks for decades, and the only reason we're using credit cards is because the US keeps forcing them on us. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 3 points 6 months ago You just have to memorize the coins Plus they are not even logically ordered by size or anything. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago Americans love overcomplicating things in general, and particularly love using overly specific and technical names for stuff. There’s acronyms everywhere, and things are named after weird technicalities. Like nobody says “retirement account”, they call it “401(k)”, named after the paragraph in the law which defines it. As a plus, I can greatly confuse and terrify an Irish person by telling them about the thousands I send "to the old IRA" every year. 😂 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 6 months ago (4 children) US banking is weird. How would it be paid instead? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago* (3 children) I've never hired a software consultant, but most of the time when I hire a company or person to do contract work like roofing, gardening or similar they prefer to be paid by check. Sometimes they accept credit cards, but usually not when the bill is over a certain amount, due to the cut going to the card company. Furthermore, "Direct Deposit" is basically a special term used for people getting their wages or salary paid to their bank account, as opposed to receiving it by check or cash. Other types of bank-to-bank transfers have different names, like "wire transfer" or "ACH transfer". Americans love overcomplicating things in general, and particularly love using overly specific and technical names for stuff. There's acronyms everywhere, and things are named after weird technicalities. Like nobody says "retirement account", they call it "401(k)", named after the paragraph in the law which defines it. You find stuff like that everywhere if you look. Some of their coins don't even have a value printed on them, you just have to memorize how much they're worth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mcv@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 months ago In Europe (maybe also elsewhere outside the US?) nearly all transactions are simply direct bank transactions. Occasionally facilitated through some app, but usually it's just your own bank's app. Nobody has used checks for decades, and the only reason we're using credit cards is because the US keeps forcing them on us. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 3 points 6 months ago You just have to memorize the coins Plus they are not even logically ordered by size or anything. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago Americans love overcomplicating things in general, and particularly love using overly specific and technical names for stuff. There’s acronyms everywhere, and things are named after weird technicalities. Like nobody says “retirement account”, they call it “401(k)”, named after the paragraph in the law which defines it. As a plus, I can greatly confuse and terrify an Irish person by telling them about the thousands I send "to the old IRA" every year. 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago* (3 children) I've never hired a software consultant, but most of the time when I hire a company or person to do contract work like roofing, gardening or similar they prefer to be paid by check. Sometimes they accept credit cards, but usually not when the bill is over a certain amount, due to the cut going to the card company. Furthermore, "Direct Deposit" is basically a special term used for people getting their wages or salary paid to their bank account, as opposed to receiving it by check or cash. Other types of bank-to-bank transfers have different names, like "wire transfer" or "ACH transfer". Americans love overcomplicating things in general, and particularly love using overly specific and technical names for stuff. There's acronyms everywhere, and things are named after weird technicalities. Like nobody says "retirement account", they call it "401(k)", named after the paragraph in the law which defines it. You find stuff like that everywhere if you look. Some of their coins don't even have a value printed on them, you just have to memorize how much they're worth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mcv@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 months ago In Europe (maybe also elsewhere outside the US?) nearly all transactions are simply direct bank transactions. Occasionally facilitated through some app, but usually it's just your own bank's app. Nobody has used checks for decades, and the only reason we're using credit cards is because the US keeps forcing them on us. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 3 points 6 months ago You just have to memorize the coins Plus they are not even logically ordered by size or anything. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago Americans love overcomplicating things in general, and particularly love using overly specific and technical names for stuff. There’s acronyms everywhere, and things are named after weird technicalities. Like nobody says “retirement account”, they call it “401(k)”, named after the paragraph in the law which defines it. As a plus, I can greatly confuse and terrify an Irish person by telling them about the thousands I send "to the old IRA" every year. 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 months ago In Europe (maybe also elsewhere outside the US?) nearly all transactions are simply direct bank transactions. Occasionally facilitated through some app, but usually it's just your own bank's app. Nobody has used checks for decades, and the only reason we're using credit cards is because the US keeps forcing them on us. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 3 points 6 months ago You just have to memorize the coins Plus they are not even logically ordered by size or anything. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago Americans love overcomplicating things in general, and particularly love using overly specific and technical names for stuff. There’s acronyms everywhere, and things are named after weird technicalities. Like nobody says “retirement account”, they call it “401(k)”, named after the paragraph in the law which defines it. As a plus, I can greatly confuse and terrify an Irish person by telling them about the thousands I send "to the old IRA" every year. 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kraiden@piefed.social 2 points 6 months ago (8 children) A month!? I know it's regional but that's low for a monthly deposit for a contractor! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 8 points 6 months ago (6 children) If you're a self employed contractor, you're taking taxes and insurance out yourself, not from what you'd be paid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 4 points 6 months ago (3 children) Right, which would happen after the direct deposit, so your entire tangent about taxes and insurance seems irrelevant to the meme and conversation involving the amount in the meme. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 8 points 6 months ago (6 children) If you're a self employed contractor, you're taking taxes and insurance out yourself, not from what you'd be paid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 4 points 6 months ago (3 children) Right, which would happen after the direct deposit, so your entire tangent about taxes and insurance seems irrelevant to the meme and conversation involving the amount in the meme. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (2 replies)
[–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 8 points 6 months ago (6 children) If you're a self employed contractor, you're taking taxes and insurance out yourself, not from what you'd be paid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 4 points 6 months ago (3 children) Right, which would happen after the direct deposit, so your entire tangent about taxes and insurance seems irrelevant to the meme and conversation involving the amount in the meme. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (2 replies)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 4 points 6 months ago (3 children) Right, which would happen after the direct deposit, so your entire tangent about taxes and insurance seems irrelevant to the meme and conversation involving the amount in the meme. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies)
[–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 4 points 6 months ago (3 children) Right, which would happen after the direct deposit, so your entire tangent about taxes and insurance seems irrelevant to the meme and conversation involving the amount in the meme. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies)
[–] tyler@programming.dev 21 points 6 months ago Nah, that’s a normal paycheck for a medium level engineer in any American big city. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 6 points 6 months ago (11 children) Yeah that’s a very big monthly pay permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (10 children) $150,000/yr (yes big, less than median for software engineers in the US) is $2k/week, $8k/month Edit: $2k/week after taxes because direct deposit is the context of this discussion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] brave_lemmywinks@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago How dare you question his math?! He gets paid 96k /150k for that! permalink fedilink source parent [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 4 points 6 months ago this is about a deposit so it’s take home 401k etc makes this fuzzy permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago As far as I know, $150K isn't less than the median for software engineers in the entire US . It is less than the median for Senior/Lead Software Engineers though, so maybe that still works for you. In a HCOL city, you likely get far more than this amount, but it wouldn't go nearly as far obviously. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (7 replies)
[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (10 children) $150,000/yr (yes big, less than median for software engineers in the US) is $2k/week, $8k/month Edit: $2k/week after taxes because direct deposit is the context of this discussion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] brave_lemmywinks@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago How dare you question his math?! He gets paid 96k /150k for that! permalink fedilink source parent [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 4 points 6 months ago this is about a deposit so it’s take home 401k etc makes this fuzzy permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago As far as I know, $150K isn't less than the median for software engineers in the entire US . It is less than the median for Senior/Lead Software Engineers though, so maybe that still works for you. In a HCOL city, you likely get far more than this amount, but it wouldn't go nearly as far obviously. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (7 replies)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] brave_lemmywinks@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago How dare you question his math?! He gets paid 96k /150k for that! permalink fedilink source parent [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 4 points 6 months ago this is about a deposit so it’s take home 401k etc makes this fuzzy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] brave_lemmywinks@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago How dare you question his math?! He gets paid 96k /150k for that! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 4 points 6 months ago this is about a deposit so it’s take home 401k etc makes this fuzzy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago As far as I know, $150K isn't less than the median for software engineers in the entire US . It is less than the median for Senior/Lead Software Engineers though, so maybe that still works for you. In a HCOL city, you likely get far more than this amount, but it wouldn't go nearly as far obviously. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago As far as I know, $150K isn't less than the median for software engineers in the entire US . It is less than the median for Senior/Lead Software Engineers though, so maybe that still works for you. In a HCOL city, you likely get far more than this amount, but it wouldn't go nearly as far obviously. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BartyDeCanter@piefed.social 52 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children) Eh, that looks like typical take home for a staff level engineer in a big city. Edit: Assuming they get paid every two weeks, that’s an annual take home of $161,122. Depending on state taxes, insurance coverage, 401k contributions, dependents, etc, that’s a base salary of $200-250k. Which, yeah, that’s what I budget for a staff salary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Bananskal@nord.pub 11 points 6 months ago $161,122 Heck, I'd be pulling more than that if I were a self-employed consultant rather than under a consulting firm, in our small city in northern Scandinavia. Now I'm raking in a little below that, and I'm taking out like a third of it as actual salary and saving the rest, to avoid high taxes, and to to pay for a leased car, pension saving, extra insurance etc, before taxes. But after all that I'm probably saving $3k every month tax free, and maybe $1,5k in my bank account. Engineering life is pretty okay. Still can't afford a house yet though. Thanks boomers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] glitches_brew@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (1 child) Key phrase is "big city". I'm a staff and there's a mid on my team that moved to Seattle. His cost of living adjustment when he moved allows him to make more than I do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago I think for a SF based company 200 - 250k salary is typical for even a senior engineer. permalink fedilink source parent [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago Monthly it's about what I'd expect for a low-medium experience engineer. But I'm an industrial engineer not software. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bananskal@nord.pub 11 points 6 months ago $161,122 Heck, I'd be pulling more than that if I were a self-employed consultant rather than under a consulting firm, in our small city in northern Scandinavia. Now I'm raking in a little below that, and I'm taking out like a third of it as actual salary and saving the rest, to avoid high taxes, and to to pay for a leased car, pension saving, extra insurance etc, before taxes. But after all that I'm probably saving $3k every month tax free, and maybe $1,5k in my bank account. Engineering life is pretty okay. Still can't afford a house yet though. Thanks boomers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] glitches_brew@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (1 child) Key phrase is "big city". I'm a staff and there's a mid on my team that moved to Seattle. His cost of living adjustment when he moved allows him to make more than I do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago I think for a SF based company 200 - 250k salary is typical for even a senior engineer. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago Monthly it's about what I'd expect for a low-medium experience engineer. But I'm an industrial engineer not software. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 59 points 6 months ago (13 children) That's not that outrageous as a higher-level IC in a big tech company in a big city. But if you're that senior you're not questioning why you became an engineer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] otterpop@lemmy.world 57 points 6 months ago (3 children) There's a reason the typical dev career pipeline ends at farmer. People get tired of all the bs and leave never to be seen again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago Literal farmer. In the dirt. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago I'd say it is more accurate to say that the typical dev dreams about it ending as a farmer. I only know of a single guy that made it happen, proud of him though! permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] tyler@programming.dev 35 points 6 months ago (8 children) I mean, you definitely do. I know numerous people that dropped the field entirely (including me) even though the pay is ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago (5 children) Already farming? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] tyler@programming.dev 26 points 6 months ago (3 children) Woodworking, close enough? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago Same ballpark yeah permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago Mr Offerman? permalink fedilink source parent [–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago I approve of this. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 9 points 6 months ago Sometimes it is just a really intense garden. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago I also left, the industry is toxic right now. Circus for me permalink fedilink source parent [–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago Oh, you definitely wonder how long you can keep up with the corpo bullshit, but that wasn't the vibe I was getting from the first panel. That was giving me more of a "junior engineer who can't get something to work" vibe. I've traded half my pay for more fulfilling work and less corpo bullshit before, but I didn't quit engineering. I see some people dreaming about leaving it all behind and buying a farm, but what they all had in common was zero farming experience. The grass is always greener and all that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] otterpop@lemmy.world 57 points 6 months ago (3 children) There's a reason the typical dev career pipeline ends at farmer. People get tired of all the bs and leave never to be seen again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago Literal farmer. In the dirt. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago I'd say it is more accurate to say that the typical dev dreams about it ending as a farmer. I only know of a single guy that made it happen, proud of him though! permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago Literal farmer. In the dirt. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago Literal farmer. In the dirt. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago I'd say it is more accurate to say that the typical dev dreams about it ending as a farmer. I only know of a single guy that made it happen, proud of him though! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tyler@programming.dev 35 points 6 months ago (8 children) I mean, you definitely do. I know numerous people that dropped the field entirely (including me) even though the pay is ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago (5 children) Already farming? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] tyler@programming.dev 26 points 6 months ago (3 children) Woodworking, close enough? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago Same ballpark yeah permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago Mr Offerman? permalink fedilink source parent [–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago I approve of this. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 9 points 6 months ago Sometimes it is just a really intense garden. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago I also left, the industry is toxic right now. Circus for me permalink fedilink source parent [–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago Oh, you definitely wonder how long you can keep up with the corpo bullshit, but that wasn't the vibe I was getting from the first panel. That was giving me more of a "junior engineer who can't get something to work" vibe. I've traded half my pay for more fulfilling work and less corpo bullshit before, but I didn't quit engineering. I see some people dreaming about leaving it all behind and buying a farm, but what they all had in common was zero farming experience. The grass is always greener and all that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago (5 children) Already farming? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] tyler@programming.dev 26 points 6 months ago (3 children) Woodworking, close enough? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago Same ballpark yeah permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago Mr Offerman? permalink fedilink source parent [–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago I approve of this. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 9 points 6 months ago Sometimes it is just a really intense garden. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tyler@programming.dev 26 points 6 months ago (3 children) Woodworking, close enough? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago Same ballpark yeah permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago Mr Offerman? permalink fedilink source parent [–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago I approve of this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago I approve of this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 9 points 6 months ago Sometimes it is just a really intense garden. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago I also left, the industry is toxic right now. Circus for me permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago Oh, you definitely wonder how long you can keep up with the corpo bullshit, but that wasn't the vibe I was getting from the first panel. That was giving me more of a "junior engineer who can't get something to work" vibe. I've traded half my pay for more fulfilling work and less corpo bullshit before, but I didn't quit engineering. I see some people dreaming about leaving it all behind and buying a farm, but what they all had in common was zero farming experience. The grass is always greener and all that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 6 months ago (1 child) Lockheed Martin permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago Lol they are not permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (2 children) It doesn't say it's salary. A lot of companies pay out bonuses right around now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) That's on the high end, but not so high it's uncommon, for a salary paid biweekly to a senior engineer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) That's on the high end, but not so high it's uncommon, for a salary paid biweekly to a senior engineer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago (2 children) If that's monthly pay, that's at or below average. If that's bi-weekly......fuck I need to up my engineering game. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) In the US... Different in other parts of the world, even in Europe this is a high salary (but it reminds me to still ask for a raise...) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) In the US... Different in other parts of the world, even in Europe this is a high salary (but it reminds me to still ask for a raise...) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago California. It goes with high cost of living. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AnotherMadHatter@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago Mechanical Engineer (union) with 20 years experience, slightly underpaid at $76.33/hr in (just north of the) Seattle area. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 months ago Closer to $200-$250K depending on how much you withhold for 401k. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 months ago Closer to $200-$250K depending on how much you withhold for 401k. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 months ago If you can add AI to your title somehow, that might even be midrange. I was talking to someone who has not been doing this long pushing pretty close to a half million dollar salary and then bonuses on top. permalink fedilink source parent