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[–] 16 points 6 months ago (36 children)

Europeans don't have to drive to survive the way most Americans do.

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  • [–] 39 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Depends. In cities no. In rural areas or small villages, often yes.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    But then that goes for America too.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    I guess? Most American cities have extremely poor public transport. NY and Chicago are okay but in most of Europe any place with more than 50-100k people will at least have a tram system and regional trains, maybe even a metro. It's just when you get down to places with only a few thousand or a few hundred people, then the bus to town might only come once in the morning and once at night or something like that.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It's not like all European towns have perfect public transit. We have plenty of places without a busline too. I agree it's not to the extent of the USA, but here in Denmark we have a lot of smaller communities that simply don't have busses, because they're not directly sandwiched between two bigger cities.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Yes that's basically what I was saying, that in small places the options can be very limited. I don't know about Denmark but where I have lived (France, Germany, Switzerland) and visited, without literally any bus at all is still somewhat uncommon.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    There are more European countries than the Netherlands.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (16 children)

    Oh no, if it isn't the consequences of everyone's collective actions

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  • [–] 40 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    That's such a nonsense argument. 80% of the US lives in an urban area. That has plenty of options for walkable neighborhoods with public transportation. The reason that those don't exist are active policy choices that people have voted for and keep voting for.

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  • [+] -13 points 6 months ago* (5 children)

    Have you even been to the US? Even most of the urban areas have horrible public transit and even worse infrastructure for biking.

    Maybe get off your high horse and engage in reality.

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  • [–] 44 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    I think that's exactly what that person is saying though. There is plenty of opportunity for good public infrastructure, but bad policy and auto lobbies have prevented them from happening. A good example is how most neighborhoods are not allowed to be located with businesses/shops/restaurants, and vice versa. This simple change would make so much more of the country more walkable

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    The shitty thing is before WW2, America had some of the best public and most profitable transportation infrastructure in the world. American railroad tycoons were some of the most wealthy individuals in the nation for a time even and before that it was steamboat tycoons. As you say auto lobbyist ruined it all unfortunately and AmTrak is a sad excuse of what’s left.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Maybe vote for somebody who will give you better public transport and cycling infrastructure.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Naive take at best. Love the tone deaf armchair "advice" all the non-Americans have for us, like you've been through this before and led a political movement yourself to earn the social safety nets/benefits your country provides for you. I'm sure you fought for everything you enjoy, lol.

    No doubt, getting everyone convinced to vote is a good thing, but the majority of this comes down to money in politics, which will take a fucking revolution to change, not a ballot.

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Living in a country under laws written by oil corporations, in cities whose public transportation was privatized and destroyed by car manufacturers.

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    Commuting from the suburbs to the city center is a perfect use case for advanced high-capacity public transportation. It's something that most cities on earth manage, the US could too.

    Also this isn't theoretical. The deliberate prevention of new and in some cases destruction of existing public transportation in the US to increase car dependency is well-documented.

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