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that's goofy (quokk.au)
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[–] 8 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Not liberals, democrats. Let's use labels that actually describe the group that's being discussed. Democrats for the most part are conservative, ever trying to maintain the status quo and unwilling to try anything else (meanwhile republicans are fascist not conservative).

Of course, democrats will continue to call themselves liberal and republicans will continue to call themselves conservative no matter how much I insist that they're wrong, but I'll continue to assert this point whenever a convenient opportunity arises.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Not liberals, democrats

    Potato tomato. Neoliberalism (the kind of Liberals the DNC leadership are) is the ideology of Thatcher and Reagan and refers to laissez faire economic policy, not ACTUAL liberty for all.

    Democrats for the most part are conservative, ever trying to maintain the status quo and unwilling to try anything else

    Yup. Still Neoliberal.

    meanwhile republicans are fascist not conservative

    Yeah, those fascists are textbook ultra-regressive

    Of course, democrats will continue to call themselves liberal

    Because over 99% of them are. Liberalism ≠ Leftism.

    They'll also keep calling themselves progressive, though, which IS left wing and thus NOT what the vast majority of Democrat politicians are.

    and republicans will continue to call themselves conservative

    Because blatantly lying about what they are and what they do is THE pillar supporting all GOP election success since the 60s if not sooner.

    no matter how much I insist that they're wrong

    I mean, you're right about one of them and wrong about the other 🤷🏻

    I'll continue to assert this point whenever a convenient opportunity arises.

    Which part(s)? The part you're right about about, or both?

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  • [–] -3 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Part of what I'm complaining about is that groups following an ideology often give themselves names and descriptions that do not accurately describe the ideology. If we accept that and use the labels they gave themselves, then we distort what those words even mean and language is useless.

    Imma cherry pick some definitions in order to best make my current point.

    Liberal. Adjective.

    Favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.

    Open-minded or tolerant, especially free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.

    Conservative. Adjective.

    Disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

    I don't think I need to do a section on "fascist".

    Also also, the word "neoliberal" is absolute syllable salad to me. It's like it's trying to pretend to be one thing, but is actually the polar opposite of it. It's a case of a movement naming itself without regard to what the fuck the word actually means and therefore it doesn't mean a damn thing. Neoliberal is a name, not a description, for diet republicans.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    Liberal. Adjective.

    Favorable to progress or reform

    That's literally Progressivism. Which ISN'T Liberalism.

    Open-minded or tolerant

    That's 1700s Classical Liberalism, when compared to the ultra-authoritarian norms of the time.

    Modern Liberalism AKA Neoliberalism is an economic philosophy that is very much capitalist and authoritarian.

    Conservative. Adjective.

    Disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc

    Correct

    , or to restore traditional ones

    Nope, that's regression. Easy mistake to make when everyone calling themselves conservative for the past half century have actually been regressive.

    and to limit change.

    Correct.

    Also also, the word "neoliberal" is absolute syllable salad to me.

    Bolded the significant part. The "neo" part is there for a reason, as described above.

    It's like it's trying to pretend to be one thing, but is actually the polar opposite of it.

    Nope. Neoliberalism is economically Liberal and can be socially progressive, neutral (most of the DNC) or conservative (most "moderate" Republicans)

    It's a case of a movement naming itself without regard to what the fuck whether or not glitchdx understands what the word actually means and therefore it doesn't mean a damn thing to glitchdx

    Fixed it for you.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children) 
    , or to restore traditional ones

    Nope, that’s regression. Easy mistake to make when everyone calling themselves conservative for the past half century have actually been regressive.

    Isn't that reactionary/reactionism?

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Nope, being reactionary means that your actioned and/or opinions are reactions to the actions/opinions of others rather than proactive ie what others react to.

    Being regressive, on the other hand, means wanting to regress to a previous state, such as wanting to roll back social progress or otherwise return to how things used to be.

    MAGA being a classic example of revisionist regressive ideology pretending that everything was better back when minorities and other vulnerable groups of people didn't have as many/any rights.

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