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[–] 113 points 7 months ago (68 children)

She's an idiot to think her loss to a convict and rapist was anyone's fault but her own. She'll have even less of a chance against any reasonable candidate.

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  • [–] 54 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    "I bet you won't vote for a woman!"

    ... Ok... Do you have any policy positions we should know about?

    "You wouldn't vote for THAT guy over a woman would you?!"

    Please ... We literally just want healthc-

    "LOOK, REPUBLICANS THAT DON'T LIKE HIM!"

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  • [+] -12 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    As bad as it is, that really should have been enough. But too many idiot Americans failed to effectively vote against Trump; so they are responsible for him. You can cry that she didn't motivate people, or her platform wasn't perfect or even that her laugh was annoying. But whatever. You didn't stop Trump, that's on you.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    I mean, I voted for her knowing she was going to lose if that helps you at all. Same for Clinton actually, who ran on an identical platform and lost to the same fucking guy.

    It's on the Democrats. for absolutely refusing to run on policy. Twice.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    On a scale of 1 to 5, with 1 being "not perfect" and 5 being "What the fuck are they thinking. They don't even pretend to represent us, this is just vile.", where do you rank helping a foreign apartheid state commit genocide?

    The criticism isn't about her motivating people. She deserves to be villafied. Her "platform" was disgusting. Stop scapegoating just because the newsletter tells you to.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    They were still doing a genocide under joe biden. She did nothing to distance herself from the admin and the only people to blame for her loss are herself and her enablers.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    no one has ever used that term for similar actions in the past.

    They have, it's been a genocide. The whole point of the genocide convention was to stop them while they're happening, not to preserve the term for historical labeling and partisan bickering. The person cynically wielding and demeaning the term is you, because you only recognize genocide when it's not 'your guy' doing it.

    People like you disgust me. So invested in team loyalty you will minimize a genocide to avoid admitting your own parties participation. Just because I criticize democrats for their complicity doesn't mean I am happy Trump won.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    You have no loyalty to 'Israel' yet you spend all this energy denying their genocide and doing hasbara on their behalf.

    comparing occupied Palestinians to Nazi Germany is absolutely vile. They're not a military power threatening 'Israel', they're a captive population being exterminated.

    It's been an obvious genocidal apartheid state since the Nakba in 1948.

    Democrats didn't 'change their stance', they armed the entity through election day and lost defending it. You're still making excuses. That's the team loyalty I called you out for.

    the person saying I have blind hatred:

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  • [+] -26 points 7 months ago (50 children)

    While she was far from being an ideal candidate, and the Dems most definitely fumbled the entire election, let's not forget the massive Russian bot campaign amplified by the clueless tankies, spreading that bullshit "Kamala is for genocide" crap... which was loud enough to turn a large chunk of average voters away from even voting. If not for that incredibly successful propaganda campaign, Kamala would've won, just by a smidge, but she would've come out on top.

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  • [–] 62 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

    She refused to even call Israel an apartheid state, let alone use the G word. She specifically said she wouldn't do anything different than Biden did. That was her position. Can't blame bot farms for her actual position.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    Not wanting to [say] something is hardly the same as supporting it, though, isn't it?

    In most cases, sure.
    Not when it's genocide. Calling out and condemning genocide should be a no brainer.

    people who took her silence as support of genocide, implied that somehow Trump would be better.

    That's not how logic works.

    Y'all assholes have a clean conscience not voting for someone who didn't say the magic words

    Magic isn't real.
    And of course I voted for her. Calling her a shit candidate who deserved to loose, because she was too stupid to make a compelling case against a felon and rapist, doesn't imply anything about how I voted.

    Again that's not how logic works.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    She chose that silence over you, bro. All she had to do was tell Israel to fuck off. Instead, they gave missiles to a pitbull incarnated as a country.

    But sure, it's everyone else's fault. Not the ones that were in charge of the country, and the military, and their own platform. Believe it or not, Kamala is her own person and can actually decide to do things, and she still decided to shit all over our hopes and dreams.

    You guys treat her like some force of nature or something. Temperature and wind humidity hitting just the right spot and suddenly, Israel gets everything it wants and the election is lost.

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  • [+] 11 points 7 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I just think it's funny how in their version of reality "tankies", a group with zero political representation in America, have any kind of sway over moderate voters.

    It's truly QAnon levels of delusional.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    A lot of people on many sides are terminally online. If you ask the median voting-age US citizen why they didn't vote, the only answer they can give is "I just don't really care ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    I choose to read that as "neither party speaks to my situation" rather than the indifference being an accident. There are a lot of reasons to care with how politics affect, well, everything, but that doesn't mean parties are involving the masses. No, they're actually doing an excellent job alienating them.

    And that's just the non-voters. The only reason people even vote is to make things less shitty, not because they feel particularly moved by either party, which proves how alienation affects even committed voters.

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  • [+] 12 points 7 months ago (1 child)
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    Let's actually talk through this instead of jumping to accusing me of being fascist. Because I'm betting we agree on more than you think, I just hate the dismissal of the complex factors that caused the shitstorm that got Trump elected again.

    Democrats are complicit in enabling genocide in Palestine. Full stop. We should not support Israel, and the fact that that's the default position even in the supposed "moderate" party is an utter disgrace.

    That said, it's possible for more than one genocide to happen at once, and I don't think it's unreasonable to say that that's worse than one genocide abetted politicians that are at least more prone to influence from the electorate than the default Republican position of "fuck you if you disagree with us, we'll kill you, too." Now we have open and direct threats of genocide from our own state against Iran, not to mention the trans genocide happening at home.

    The "strong and weak" argument does apply to the same people who claim that the Democrats shouldn't have lost but also deserve to lose for enabling Israel. The fact of the matter is it took both for the world's most prolific child rapist to become president. The Democrats had to fumble the bag in the most depraved way possible, and that was openly and actively exploited by foreign actors to confuse voters at home into thinking there was no point in voting. There was, and we're learning that the hard way now.

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  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago (35 children)

    Are the "tankies" in the room with you right now?

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (15 children)

    EnsignCrab is still fighting the good fight because people like you are still simping for zionist genociders. You've learned nothing by that last betrayal of the voters and epic failure to win what should have been an easy election. You'll 100% try to lose us the next election too.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    My goal was to end the inevitability of this and future genocides yeah. Lets get to universal human rights and destroy those who would oppose it.

    Big difference from what you are saying. And you are whining to keep the status quo going.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (12 children)

    And letting trump win got us closer to that goal?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (11 children)

    Its going to plan, yes. If we cant champion the most basic human rights globally and only our own wealthy or Israeli interests, then let it all burn. None of it works for you anyway. Theres no other avenues open to us.

    The centrists will just string it along and it'll end up in the same place, just after way more murder and war crimes. Lets just rip the bandaid off quickly.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (9 children)

    If you pretend the centrist way leads to less genocide then you're not being honest about the history of what was done under Biden, and I get that. You have to get through a massive level of cognitive dissonance to acknowledge that Biden was a genocider and Harris was about to be one. I dont like it either. But neither repubs or centrist dems will refuse an AIPAC paycheck will they. The apr 9 DNC vote proved that conclusively.

    So both parties have to change or fail-- neither can be supported. THAT is the way to end genocide sponsorship in the US --because trump is actively burning the government to the ground and its on borrowed time. The dems are closest to being able to turn around, but the only way they do that is if they face the guaranteed threat of losing the next election. We're not playing chicken here with any intention of flinching at the last minute. They stop their genocidal ways or they dont get support and this place continues being taken apart by the magats. Its the only way forward. We're pretty far past letting this play out over time, dont you think?

    If you dont like this, whats your idea to stop the genocide? write letters to dem centrist interns, I bet?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (7 children)

    You've really convinced me blackbelt352: to stop genocide, I will get in line behind the DNC's plan to support genocide.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (6 children)

    You already made your decision. You got in line behind the RNC's plan to accelerate the genocide.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (5 children)

    Your girl Harris supported the genocide.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children)

    And your boy trump supported it even harder.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    Well look at you, finally admitting Harris is a genocide supporter. We've made progress.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (2 children)

    I never denied her involvement. I'm still saying trump is accelerating Israel's genocide of Palestine, and theyre expanding it to Iran, oh and Jordan as well. Now I dont have a degree in mathematics, but last I checked, 3 genocides is more than 1 genocide and 3 genocides is much harder to stop than 1 genocide.

    I did however express that her position was not going to worsen what was already happening the way trump clearly has worsened everything for everyone.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I’m still saying trump is accelerating Israel’s genocide of Palestine

    Thats a creation of your own bias. Trump is a war criminal for sure, but Biden was as bad or worse. Both presidents let Israel do whatever they wanted with impunity, and time they wanted, to whomever they wanted, all with US bombs. But Biden began it and most of the casualties so far happened on his watch, under a democratic party banner no less.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago*

    So I'm supposed to believe that going from supplying Israel for 1 genocide is worse than supplying Israel for 2 genocides and engaging in our own genocide in a third nation?

    You can fuck aaaaaalllllll the way off, you're no leftist if you want to let trump do even worse genocide.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago* (10 children)

    What really gets me is that people were surprised the VP of the US wouldn’t be against genocide.

    It really speaks to the failure of the education system.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    That’s not at all what I’m saying and you’re just reacting emotionally.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I’ve been so pissed about so much for so long that making a genocide worse is barely a blip.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    You don’t know who I voted for.

    And you’re so emotional you’re misreading everything I write.

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