Diva comments on We are where we are because Democrats fumbled an eminently winnable election, twice

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml [S] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I don’t blame or begrudge people for feeling betrayed by Harris and the Democrats.

They have been betraying us, it's more than a feeling. The democrats as a party are not invested in winning and have no principles they run on other than being 'not trump' while still being fully on board with war, empire, harsh border controls, and corporate monopolies.

I find the people complaining about 'both sides' rhetoric and blaming nonvoters incredibly off-putting because they're absolving a hostile party of its obvious negligence and preventing any lessons from being learned in the name of smug self-satisfaction.

They're more interested in scolding voters than reflecting on how the parties own actions led to them losing to a game show host, twice now.

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[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

Okay, but that's a very disingenuous framing of most the people we're talking about. Especially on the fediverse. I 100% believe that someone somewhere made such claims but that wasn't the common sentiment. No one was largely telling anyone not to criticize Harris and the Democrats for their stances. Far from. They earned all that and more.

But railing against Harris and the Democrats wasn't railing against genocide. I don't care who you voted for or if you didn't vote. Honestly the best way to fix national government and national elections is to abolish them both. For most people the issue truly was both sides. Because it was about the genocide, not Democrats. And pointing out how the myopic focus on just Harris was not only counterproductive but disastrous.

No one was (generally speaking) telling you not to criticize Harris. Just telling you don't let yourself be used by the petite bourgeoisie or the zionists. And asking what your plan was. For most people it was jumping without a parachute, and acting surprised when they went splat. Democrats and the people railing against the Democrats specifically both. And the Really tragic part of it is I know many of the people that campaigned against Harris the hardest. Ended up voting for her even as they drove Palestinians and other people into non-voting apathy or voting for Trump.

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[–] Diva@lemmy.ml [S] 3 points 7 months ago*

Okay, but that’s a very disingenuous framing of most the people we’re talking about. Especially on the fediverse. I 100% believe that someone somewhere made such claims but that wasn’t the common sentiment. No one was largely telling anyone not to criticize Harris and the Democrats for their stances. Far from. They earned all that and more.

I am not interested in getting to shitflinging because we agree on most other things, however this itself is kind of disingenuous framing of what I just said; I said:

I find the people complaining about ‘both sides’ rhetoric and blaming nonvoters incredibly off-putting because they’re absolving a hostile party of its obvious negligence and preventing any lessons from being learned in the name of smug self-satisfaction.

I didn't say that they were saying not to criticize the democrats even, I just said that fixating on blaming voters is serving the end of whitewashing the failures of the democrats and contributing to an atmosphere where they learn nothing.

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