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Which platform(s) should we use for discussing PieFed development? Question poll (piefed.social)
submitted 7 months ago by to c/piefed_meta@piefed.social
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Please only vote if you have contributed to PieFed in some capacity (e.g. coding, translation, reporting bugs, discussing bugs) or might in the near future!

Currently, we have two different developer chats on Zulip and Matrix. This means, that new devs will be confused about which channel to join and experienced devs have to actively look around in both channels for questions to answer. This seems like a really inefficient system, so we should at least decide on one official communication channel.

More discussion at https://piefed.social/c/piefed_meta/p/1964543/we-should-rethink-how-the-communitcation-channels-for-piefed-devs-work

Personally I find Matrix to be a pain in the ass and prefer Zulip. But it hasn't managed to attract as many users as Matrix has despite pushing it quite hard for months. Also PieFed development has started to bleed over into PieFed naturally, such as !piefed_css@piefed.social and !piefed_plugins@piefed.social. So we're in an awkward place at the moment.

31% A PieFed community, only
3% chat.piefed.social - Zulip
10% Matrix channel
18% PieFed + Zulip
21% PieFed + Matrix
13% PieFed + Zulip + Matrix
3% Zulip + Matrix (what we have now)
3% Zulip
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[–] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

@rimu@piefed.social - I am kind of answering your MVP chat question from the other thread here:

If we wanted to dogfood as much of this as possible, then here are the features I think we would need to add into PieFed:

  • Private group chats : This would be a way for admins/staff/mods to have a truly private chat internally. This would essentially enable something like a mod chat, admin chat, or whatever-else-you-want chat. I think an MVP implementation of this doesn't need to federate and only allow local users and it could still be useful. Federation would be a lot trickier due to the much less secure privacy and software incompatibilities with other Apub software.
  • Public group chats : This would be a group chat that is open to any user. Think of something like sticking a chatroom link in the community sidebar that users can use to join. I honestly don't know how to make federation work here since the link would presumably be for the chatroom's home instance. Maybe something like the url-rewriting that we currently do for post links.
  • Wiki Improvements: This would be a bit more of a nice to have than something for an MVP, but some love for the wiki system could help with knowledge management. I think some of the main things here are actually permissions issues. If we could do something like empower users to have wiki privileges just within a community (without making them an outright mod), that could help ease the burden on moderators and distribute wiki maintenance load.
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  • [–] [S] 6 points 7 months ago

    I reckon I could make substantial progress on those in a weekend. Something basically usable.

    The scary thing about contemplating going all-in on PieFed is that we'll be missing some functionality that we need - but that is also kinda the whole point of dogfooding - to highlight what's missing and drive improvements. That discomfort is to be sought and embraced.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    software incompatibilities with other Apub software.

    You can just make it federate encrypted data. At least for first only PieFed would be able decrypt the private messages, but eventually at least mBin would join for sure. Safe private messaging would be a very useful feature in any case!

    Having to create an account in a specific instance is too much asked, IMO. But having to create an account on some instance supporting a specific feature does feel reasonable, at least to me.

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