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  • [–] 80 points 7 months ago (37 children)

    And eat the dick billionaire shoving at your face willingly? Because that's what AI are, people are forced to used it because their boss demand it.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    What "usefulness" do you get out of them?

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Are you not familiar with "ctrl+f"?

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

    Better question is, when did you lose basic keyword-based searching skills? I know you may want your answers on a platter but realize that there's value in manual searches. Searching for something with LLMs on the page that you're on is questionable on so many levels.

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    It's not harder, though, it's actually quite instant if you know what you're doing. A lot of documentation is literally one single web page, and the majority that is not can be navigated with the regular search and ctrl+F just fine.

    There's no substitute to taking 40 minutes to get acquainted with the documentation to know what you need rather than trial & error your way through a problem blindly.

    you could get an LLM to return you the correct page in some documentation

    It's unreliable and prone to errors, and I say that after using LLM-based searches for months at work. Too many times it confuses areas, makes stuff up, or cites some irrelevant page just to give any answer at all.

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    How can I possibly be doing it wrong when the page it's citing mentions nothing of what it's taking about, or when it tells me to do something that we as a company do not do?

    I’ve been doing this shit for 20 years now.

    Welcome to the club.

    it’s an extremely useful tool

    Sure, for writing letters but not for searching which is what I'm taking about.

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    I don’t rely on the LLM to give me the answer.

    So why are you assuming that I do, again? Aren't I the one telling you that I do manual searches precisely because the search function is so hit or miss?

    it’s not good for creative works.

    What creative work? This is basic communication that we carefully outline first and then feed it to the LLM to spit out the same thing in formal language. Lol

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    You do not have access to a secret LLM that doesn’t introduce errors. You either don’t notice them or dismiss them.

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  • [–] 55 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    If they’re so useful, why are they being forced on everyone, including by making them part of performance reviews?

    If they’re useful people will naturally use them.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    How about allowing AI to be rolled out and adopted organically instead of trying to gavage it down everyone's throats?

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (11 children)

    I'd that tool didn't come at the destructive costs involved, AI would be a lot more palatable.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    If that's what it takes to stop the excessive destruction caused by unregulated data center construction and operation, yes.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Do you need to reread my comment instead of reacting to a single word of it?

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I answered you. But you still seem confused. What don't you understand about my reply?

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago

    You're screaming into the echo chamber, mate. Unless you're so rabidly anti-AI you believe and spread one of a few comforting, imaginary narratives, you'll be dog piled.

    I'm staunchly critical of AI, but won't pretend that it only consists of generative AI, that it still operates as poorly as it did years ago, nor that a disturbing percentage of the population either doesn't care about or actually supports that shit, so I get my share of insults. Being pro-AI won't get you much civility so set your expectations low. Unless you're trolling. Then you've nailed it.

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  • [–] -5 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    I think is people don’t like it they don’t need to use it. I’m ok with rules stating ai generated content must be labeled though. I wouldn’t even mind a toggle so it could just be turned off.

    But it is tech that is here to stay. It is useful to many people.

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  • [–] 48 points 7 months ago

    It'd be fine if that was the case. Right now if you don't like it you're still forced to read (and often review) AI generated rumblings, communicate with LLMs instead of humans when contacting support, accept AI-specific terms even you won't use the AI part of a product, have data centers pollute your city and pay ridiculous amount of money for a stick of ram.

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  • [–] 44 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    1000026004

    Imagine letting an entertainment product write your code for you. Why the fuck are you doing this if you don't even like the act of programming?

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    I get writing boilerplate and unit tests can probably be done by software well enough, at least when supervised.

    Ill be honest, that's not even my real issue.

    My real issue is that programming, devops, systems administration. All of these things are art forms, every bit of them. From high-level application architecture down to the tiniest details of implementation.

    Like how much of a library you choose to include, what you name your variables, what type of loops you use to iterate through data. How you choose to format and comment your code.

    Giving these choices to the machine is like the painter giving their brush to it.

    Just like images generated by stable diffusion will never be worth their fully-human painted equivalent. So too will LLM-developed programs fail to hold that value.

    For what its worth, this isnt new. I've held contempt for VC-worshipping developers who see programming as a means to an end far longer than LLMs have been used for serious work.

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago

    I think is people don’t like it they don’t need to use it.

    Tell that to the people living near new data centers who can't get clean water and are being charged exorbitant rates for electricity. They have no say in the matter.

    This is occuring all over the US, these issues are far from isolated incidents.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago

    Useful to who? If you need an LLM to write just a basic e-mail/comment/caption you're maybe ... how do I say this nicely? Not that smart ...

    If you use an LLM as a search engine, same thing.

    If you use an LLM as a psychologist, same damn thing.

    And the majority of people are using it for those things. It's just plain stupidity. I'm not saying there's no use to AI, but right now it's being used in a terrible way by people that have no use for it at all.

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    It is allowing me to do things that I could not do on my own due to time constraints. It also allows me to do stuff that I could not afford to do (generate my company logo and variations of the mascot for social media posts.)

    I know a lot of people think I am rich, but I live in a third world country and hardly have any extra to save, so I truly can't afford to pay a graphic designer to do that work. I actually did once, on upwork, but the vector work she did was terrible and she couldn't figure out how to remove these thick black lines. ChatGPT was able to fix it though.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Guys trying to shove AI into everything: oh nooo, pleeeaaase don’t use our product, we would haaaate it if you did that!

    Worst conspiracy ever.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    It's not the product makers that are creating the smear campaign, it's the people who don't want the general populous to access power AI.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    So they have the power to run a smear campaign that would alter society’s opinion on AI—which is so very useful and everyone would love it otherwise—but they don’t have the power to influence the building of billions of dollars of infrastructure to power these data centers?

    The people pushing this are the people that benefit from the general populace being dumb as shit. That’s why they’re pushing it. AI doesn’t make anyone more informed or intelligent, it’s an echo chamber.

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    Yes, they have the power to smear, it's not that hard.

    They can't stop then building why would them being able to smear mean they can't build data centers? That doesn't make any sense.

    The anti AI groups can smear, I don't see what that has to do with AI companies building data centers.

    AI gives informed and data resourced answers. It's better than just reading Facebook comments.

    It increases intelligence because it shows the best way to do something, and everyone can learn from that.

    It's not an echo chamber, it provides answers for almost everything.

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