psx_crab comments on It's open season for refusing AI

Better question is, when did you lose basic keyword-based searching skills? I know you may want your answers on a platter but realize that there's value in manual searches. Searching for something with LLMs on the page that you're on is questionable on so many levels.

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[+] Deceptichum -2 points 7 months ago (5 children)

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[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (4 children)

It's not harder, though, it's actually quite instant if you know what you're doing. A lot of documentation is literally one single web page, and the majority that is not can be navigated with the regular search and ctrl+F just fine.

There's no substitute to taking 40 minutes to get acquainted with the documentation to know what you need rather than trial & error your way through a problem blindly.

you could get an LLM to return you the correct page in some documentation

It's unreliable and prone to errors, and I say that after using LLM-based searches for months at work. Too many times it confuses areas, makes stuff up, or cites some irrelevant page just to give any answer at all.

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[+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (4 children)

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[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

How can I possibly be doing it wrong when the page it's citing mentions nothing of what it's taking about, or when it tells me to do something that we as a company do not do?

I’ve been doing this shit for 20 years now.

Welcome to the club.

it’s an extremely useful tool

Sure, for writing letters but not for searching which is what I'm taking about.

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[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

I don’t rely on the LLM to give me the answer.

So why are you assuming that I do, again? Aren't I the one telling you that I do manual searches precisely because the search function is so hit or miss?

it’s not good for creative works.

What creative work? This is basic communication that we carefully outline first and then feed it to the LLM to spit out the same thing in formal language. Lol

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[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

You do not have access to a secret LLM that doesn’t introduce errors. You either don’t notice them or dismiss them.

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[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 months ago

You could have just gone to the page without asking daddy Copilot how to do it 🤷‍♂️

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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 55 points 7 months ago (7 children)

If they’re so useful, why are they being forced on everyone, including by making them part of performance reviews?

If they’re useful people will naturally use them.

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[+] username_1@programming.dev -64 points 7 months ago (6 children)

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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 9 points 7 months ago*

Why would this new cool technology should be an exception?

I very often do push back against things that they try to force down everyone's throat. AI is not exceptional in this regard.

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[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 4 points 7 months ago

temu tyler durden

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[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

No, I do none of those things. You just sound like a resentful conformist. Maybe try thinking and doing for yourself, instead of thinking and doing as you’re told.

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[–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 7 months ago

So cool...

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[–] Zoot@reddthat.com 2 points 7 months ago

The projection is strong in this one

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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

How about allowing AI to be rolled out and adopted organically instead of trying to gavage it down everyone's throats?

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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 6 points 7 months ago

That would be true of any technology. Technology doesn't have agency; my comment is clearly directed at corpos that are pushing it.

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[–] Dumhuvud@programming.dev 17 points 7 months ago

not against useful tools

Nobody's fighting against you guys. Why do sloperators have to take everything personally? Smh my head.

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[–] greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo 17 points 7 months ago

They're not useful tools.

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[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (11 children)

I'd that tool didn't come at the destructive costs involved, AI would be a lot more palatable.

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[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

You may think you're being clever, but that is hardly a reasonable comparison while also ignoring the glaring corporate irresponsibility underlying both.

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[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (6 children)

If that's what it takes to stop the excessive destruction caused by unregulated data center construction and operation, yes.

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[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Do you need to reread my comment instead of reacting to a single word of it?

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[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I answered you. But you still seem confused. What don't you understand about my reply?

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[–] monsieur_hackerman@programming.dev 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

They're ai and their context window ran out of space lol

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[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Lol sure seems like it. I didn't think my reply was that complex.

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[–] TwilitSky@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

I don't care what you do but keep your hands off those videos. I need them for things.

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[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 7 months ago

If AI is just like a video data center, why did data center energy usage stay stable before AI? Why has data center energy usage doubled since 2010 if videos and AI are equivalent in energy usage?

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[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago

You're screaming into the echo chamber, mate. Unless you're so rabidly anti-AI you believe and spread one of a few comforting, imaginary narratives, you'll be dog piled.

I'm staunchly critical of AI, but won't pretend that it only consists of generative AI, that it still operates as poorly as it did years ago, nor that a disturbing percentage of the population either doesn't care about or actually supports that shit, so I get my share of insults. Being pro-AI won't get you much civility so set your expectations low. Unless you're trolling. Then you've nailed it.