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[+] username_1@programming.dev -22 points 7 months ago (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SPRUNT@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago (6 children) Are you not familiar with "ctrl+f"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum -7 points 7 months ago* (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children) Better question is, when did you lose basic keyword-based searching skills? I know you may want your answers on a platter but realize that there's value in manual searches. Searching for something with LLMs on the page that you're on is questionable on so many levels. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum -2 points 7 months ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (4 children) It's not harder, though, it's actually quite instant if you know what you're doing. A lot of documentation is literally one single web page, and the majority that is not can be navigated with the regular search and ctrl+F just fine. There's no substitute to taking 40 minutes to get acquainted with the documentation to know what you need rather than trial & error your way through a problem blindly. you could get an LLM to return you the correct page in some documentation It's unreliable and prone to errors, and I say that after using LLM-based searches for months at work. Too many times it confuses areas, makes stuff up, or cites some irrelevant page just to give any answer at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child) How can I possibly be doing it wrong when the page it's citing mentions nothing of what it's taking about, or when it tells me to do something that we as a company do not do? I’ve been doing this shit for 20 years now. Welcome to the club. it’s an extremely useful tool Sure, for writing letters but not for searching which is what I'm taking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago I don’t rely on the LLM to give me the answer. So why are you assuming that I do, again? Aren't I the one telling you that I do manual searches precisely because the search function is so hit or miss? it’s not good for creative works. What creative work? This is basic communication that we carefully outline first and then feed it to the LLM to spit out the same thing in formal language. Lol permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You do not have access to a secret LLM that doesn’t introduce errors. You either don’t notice them or dismiss them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 months ago You could have just gone to the page without asking daddy Copilot how to do it 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] SPRUNT@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago (6 children) Are you not familiar with "ctrl+f"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum -7 points 7 months ago* (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children) Better question is, when did you lose basic keyword-based searching skills? I know you may want your answers on a platter but realize that there's value in manual searches. Searching for something with LLMs on the page that you're on is questionable on so many levels. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum -2 points 7 months ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (4 children) It's not harder, though, it's actually quite instant if you know what you're doing. A lot of documentation is literally one single web page, and the majority that is not can be navigated with the regular search and ctrl+F just fine. There's no substitute to taking 40 minutes to get acquainted with the documentation to know what you need rather than trial & error your way through a problem blindly. you could get an LLM to return you the correct page in some documentation It's unreliable and prone to errors, and I say that after using LLM-based searches for months at work. Too many times it confuses areas, makes stuff up, or cites some irrelevant page just to give any answer at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child) How can I possibly be doing it wrong when the page it's citing mentions nothing of what it's taking about, or when it tells me to do something that we as a company do not do? I’ve been doing this shit for 20 years now. Welcome to the club. it’s an extremely useful tool Sure, for writing letters but not for searching which is what I'm taking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago I don’t rely on the LLM to give me the answer. So why are you assuming that I do, again? Aren't I the one telling you that I do manual searches precisely because the search function is so hit or miss? it’s not good for creative works. What creative work? This is basic communication that we carefully outline first and then feed it to the LLM to spit out the same thing in formal language. Lol permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You do not have access to a secret LLM that doesn’t introduce errors. You either don’t notice them or dismiss them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 months ago You could have just gone to the page without asking daddy Copilot how to do it 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Deceptichum -7 points 7 months ago* (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children) Better question is, when did you lose basic keyword-based searching skills? I know you may want your answers on a platter but realize that there's value in manual searches. Searching for something with LLMs on the page that you're on is questionable on so many levels. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum -2 points 7 months ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (4 children) It's not harder, though, it's actually quite instant if you know what you're doing. A lot of documentation is literally one single web page, and the majority that is not can be navigated with the regular search and ctrl+F just fine. There's no substitute to taking 40 minutes to get acquainted with the documentation to know what you need rather than trial & error your way through a problem blindly. you could get an LLM to return you the correct page in some documentation It's unreliable and prone to errors, and I say that after using LLM-based searches for months at work. Too many times it confuses areas, makes stuff up, or cites some irrelevant page just to give any answer at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child) How can I possibly be doing it wrong when the page it's citing mentions nothing of what it's taking about, or when it tells me to do something that we as a company do not do? I’ve been doing this shit for 20 years now. Welcome to the club. it’s an extremely useful tool Sure, for writing letters but not for searching which is what I'm taking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago I don’t rely on the LLM to give me the answer. So why are you assuming that I do, again? Aren't I the one telling you that I do manual searches precisely because the search function is so hit or miss? it’s not good for creative works. What creative work? This is basic communication that we carefully outline first and then feed it to the LLM to spit out the same thing in formal language. Lol permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You do not have access to a secret LLM that doesn’t introduce errors. You either don’t notice them or dismiss them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 months ago You could have just gone to the page without asking daddy Copilot how to do it 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children) Better question is, when did you lose basic keyword-based searching skills? I know you may want your answers on a platter but realize that there's value in manual searches. Searching for something with LLMs on the page that you're on is questionable on so many levels. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum -2 points 7 months ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (4 children) It's not harder, though, it's actually quite instant if you know what you're doing. A lot of documentation is literally one single web page, and the majority that is not can be navigated with the regular search and ctrl+F just fine. There's no substitute to taking 40 minutes to get acquainted with the documentation to know what you need rather than trial & error your way through a problem blindly. you could get an LLM to return you the correct page in some documentation It's unreliable and prone to errors, and I say that after using LLM-based searches for months at work. Too many times it confuses areas, makes stuff up, or cites some irrelevant page just to give any answer at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child) How can I possibly be doing it wrong when the page it's citing mentions nothing of what it's taking about, or when it tells me to do something that we as a company do not do? I’ve been doing this shit for 20 years now. Welcome to the club. it’s an extremely useful tool Sure, for writing letters but not for searching which is what I'm taking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago I don’t rely on the LLM to give me the answer. So why are you assuming that I do, again? Aren't I the one telling you that I do manual searches precisely because the search function is so hit or miss? it’s not good for creative works. What creative work? This is basic communication that we carefully outline first and then feed it to the LLM to spit out the same thing in formal language. Lol permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You do not have access to a secret LLM that doesn’t introduce errors. You either don’t notice them or dismiss them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 months ago You could have just gone to the page without asking daddy Copilot how to do it 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Deceptichum -2 points 7 months ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (4 children) It's not harder, though, it's actually quite instant if you know what you're doing. A lot of documentation is literally one single web page, and the majority that is not can be navigated with the regular search and ctrl+F just fine. There's no substitute to taking 40 minutes to get acquainted with the documentation to know what you need rather than trial & error your way through a problem blindly. you could get an LLM to return you the correct page in some documentation It's unreliable and prone to errors, and I say that after using LLM-based searches for months at work. Too many times it confuses areas, makes stuff up, or cites some irrelevant page just to give any answer at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child) How can I possibly be doing it wrong when the page it's citing mentions nothing of what it's taking about, or when it tells me to do something that we as a company do not do? I’ve been doing this shit for 20 years now. Welcome to the club. it’s an extremely useful tool Sure, for writing letters but not for searching which is what I'm taking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago I don’t rely on the LLM to give me the answer. So why are you assuming that I do, again? Aren't I the one telling you that I do manual searches precisely because the search function is so hit or miss? it’s not good for creative works. What creative work? This is basic communication that we carefully outline first and then feed it to the LLM to spit out the same thing in formal language. Lol permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You do not have access to a secret LLM that doesn’t introduce errors. You either don’t notice them or dismiss them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 months ago You could have just gone to the page without asking daddy Copilot how to do it 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (4 children) It's not harder, though, it's actually quite instant if you know what you're doing. A lot of documentation is literally one single web page, and the majority that is not can be navigated with the regular search and ctrl+F just fine. There's no substitute to taking 40 minutes to get acquainted with the documentation to know what you need rather than trial & error your way through a problem blindly. you could get an LLM to return you the correct page in some documentation It's unreliable and prone to errors, and I say that after using LLM-based searches for months at work. Too many times it confuses areas, makes stuff up, or cites some irrelevant page just to give any answer at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child) How can I possibly be doing it wrong when the page it's citing mentions nothing of what it's taking about, or when it tells me to do something that we as a company do not do? I’ve been doing this shit for 20 years now. Welcome to the club. it’s an extremely useful tool Sure, for writing letters but not for searching which is what I'm taking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago I don’t rely on the LLM to give me the answer. So why are you assuming that I do, again? Aren't I the one telling you that I do manual searches precisely because the search function is so hit or miss? it’s not good for creative works. What creative work? This is basic communication that we carefully outline first and then feed it to the LLM to spit out the same thing in formal language. Lol permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You do not have access to a secret LLM that doesn’t introduce errors. You either don’t notice them or dismiss them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 months ago You could have just gone to the page without asking daddy Copilot how to do it 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child) How can I possibly be doing it wrong when the page it's citing mentions nothing of what it's taking about, or when it tells me to do something that we as a company do not do? I’ve been doing this shit for 20 years now. Welcome to the club. it’s an extremely useful tool Sure, for writing letters but not for searching which is what I'm taking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago I don’t rely on the LLM to give me the answer. So why are you assuming that I do, again? Aren't I the one telling you that I do manual searches precisely because the search function is so hit or miss? it’s not good for creative works. What creative work? This is basic communication that we carefully outline first and then feed it to the LLM to spit out the same thing in formal language. Lol permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You do not have access to a secret LLM that doesn’t introduce errors. You either don’t notice them or dismiss them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 months ago You could have just gone to the page without asking daddy Copilot how to do it 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child) How can I possibly be doing it wrong when the page it's citing mentions nothing of what it's taking about, or when it tells me to do something that we as a company do not do? I’ve been doing this shit for 20 years now. Welcome to the club. it’s an extremely useful tool Sure, for writing letters but not for searching which is what I'm taking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago I don’t rely on the LLM to give me the answer. So why are you assuming that I do, again? Aren't I the one telling you that I do manual searches precisely because the search function is so hit or miss? it’s not good for creative works. What creative work? This is basic communication that we carefully outline first and then feed it to the LLM to spit out the same thing in formal language. Lol permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago I don’t rely on the LLM to give me the answer. So why are you assuming that I do, again? Aren't I the one telling you that I do manual searches precisely because the search function is so hit or miss? it’s not good for creative works. What creative work? This is basic communication that we carefully outline first and then feed it to the LLM to spit out the same thing in formal language. Lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago I don’t rely on the LLM to give me the answer. So why are you assuming that I do, again? Aren't I the one telling you that I do manual searches precisely because the search function is so hit or miss? it’s not good for creative works. What creative work? This is basic communication that we carefully outline first and then feed it to the LLM to spit out the same thing in formal language. Lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You do not have access to a secret LLM that doesn’t introduce errors. You either don’t notice them or dismiss them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 months ago You could have just gone to the page without asking daddy Copilot how to do it 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 months ago You could have just gone to the page without asking daddy Copilot how to do it 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 months ago You could have just gone to the page without asking daddy Copilot how to do it 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent