▲ 361 ▼ It's open season for refusing AI (www.bloodinthemachine.com) submitted 7 months ago by chobeat@lemmy.ml to c/technology@lemmy.world 75 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] username_1@programming.dev -68 points 7 months ago (36 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 36 child comments replies: [–] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago (8 children) What "usefulness" do you get out of them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] username_1@programming.dev -22 points 7 months ago (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SPRUNT@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago (6 children) Are you not familiar with "ctrl+f"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum -7 points 7 months ago* (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children) Better question is, when did you lose basic keyword-based searching skills? I know you may want your answers on a platter but realize that there's value in manual searches. Searching for something with LLMs on the page that you're on is questionable on so many levels. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum -2 points 7 months ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (4 children) It's not harder, though, it's actually quite instant if you know what you're doing. A lot of documentation is literally one single web page, and the majority that is not can be navigated with the regular search and ctrl+F just fine. There's no substitute to taking 40 minutes to get acquainted with the documentation to know what you need rather than trial & error your way through a problem blindly. you could get an LLM to return you the correct page in some documentation It's unreliable and prone to errors, and I say that after using LLM-based searches for months at work. Too many times it confuses areas, makes stuff up, or cites some irrelevant page just to give any answer at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child) How can I possibly be doing it wrong when the page it's citing mentions nothing of what it's taking about, or when it tells me to do something that we as a company do not do? I’ve been doing this shit for 20 years now. Welcome to the club. it’s an extremely useful tool Sure, for writing letters but not for searching which is what I'm taking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago I don’t rely on the LLM to give me the answer. So why are you assuming that I do, again? Aren't I the one telling you that I do manual searches precisely because the search function is so hit or miss? it’s not good for creative works. What creative work? This is basic communication that we carefully outline first and then feed it to the LLM to spit out the same thing in formal language. Lol permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You do not have access to a secret LLM that doesn’t introduce errors. You either don’t notice them or dismiss them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 months ago You could have just gone to the page without asking daddy Copilot how to do it 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 55 points 7 months ago (7 children) If they’re so useful, why are they being forced on everyone, including by making them part of performance reviews? If they’re useful people will naturally use them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] username_1@programming.dev -64 points 7 months ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 9 points 7 months ago* Why would this new cool technology should be an exception? I very often do push back against things that they try to force down everyone's throat. AI is not exceptional in this regard. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 4 points 7 months ago temu tyler durden permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago No, I do none of those things. You just sound like a resentful conformist. Maybe try thinking and doing for yourself, instead of thinking and doing as you’re told. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 7 months ago So cool... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zoot@reddthat.com 2 points 7 months ago The projection is strong in this one permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 8 points 7 months ago (2 children) How about allowing AI to be rolled out and adopted organically instead of trying to gavage it down everyone's throats? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] username_1@programming.dev 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 6 points 7 months ago That would be true of any technology. Technology doesn't have agency; my comment is clearly directed at corpos that are pushing it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dumhuvud@programming.dev 17 points 7 months ago not against useful tools Nobody's fighting against you guys. Why do sloperators have to take everything personally? Smh my head. permalink fedilink source parent [–] greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo 17 points 7 months ago They're not useful tools. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (11 children) I'd that tool didn't come at the destructive costs involved, AI would be a lot more palatable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] username_1@programming.dev -27 points 7 months ago (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago You may think you're being clever, but that is hardly a reasonable comparison while also ignoring the glaring corporate irresponsibility underlying both. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (6 children) If that's what it takes to stop the excessive destruction caused by unregulated data center construction and operation, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] username_1@programming.dev -13 points 7 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (4 children) Do you need to reread my comment instead of reacting to a single word of it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] username_1@programming.dev -9 points 7 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (2 children) I answered you. But you still seem confused. What don't you understand about my reply? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monsieur_hackerman@programming.dev 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) They're ai and their context window ran out of space lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago Lol sure seems like it. I didn't think my reply was that complex. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TwilitSky@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago I don't care what you do but keep your hands off those videos. I need them for things. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 7 months ago If AI is just like a video data center, why did data center energy usage stay stable before AI? Why has data center energy usage doubled since 2010 if videos and AI are equivalent in energy usage? permalink fedilink source parent [–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago You're screaming into the echo chamber, mate. Unless you're so rabidly anti-AI you believe and spread one of a few comforting, imaginary narratives, you'll be dog piled. I'm staunchly critical of AI, but won't pretend that it only consists of generative AI, that it still operates as poorly as it did years ago, nor that a disturbing percentage of the population either doesn't care about or actually supports that shit, so I get my share of insults. Being pro-AI won't get you much civility so set your expectations low. Unless you're trolling. Then you've nailed it. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago (8 children) What "usefulness" do you get out of them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] username_1@programming.dev -22 points 7 months ago (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SPRUNT@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago (6 children) Are you not familiar with "ctrl+f"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum -7 points 7 months ago* (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children) Better question is, when did you lose basic keyword-based searching skills? I know you may want your answers on a platter but realize that there's value in manual searches. Searching for something with LLMs on the page that you're on is questionable on so many levels. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum -2 points 7 months ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (4 children) It's not harder, though, it's actually quite instant if you know what you're doing. A lot of documentation is literally one single web page, and the majority that is not can be navigated with the regular search and ctrl+F just fine. There's no substitute to taking 40 minutes to get acquainted with the documentation to know what you need rather than trial & error your way through a problem blindly. you could get an LLM to return you the correct page in some documentation It's unreliable and prone to errors, and I say that after using LLM-based searches for months at work. Too many times it confuses areas, makes stuff up, or cites some irrelevant page just to give any answer at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child) How can I possibly be doing it wrong when the page it's citing mentions nothing of what it's taking about, or when it tells me to do something that we as a company do not do? I’ve been doing this shit for 20 years now. Welcome to the club. it’s an extremely useful tool Sure, for writing letters but not for searching which is what I'm taking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago I don’t rely on the LLM to give me the answer. So why are you assuming that I do, again? Aren't I the one telling you that I do manual searches precisely because the search function is so hit or miss? it’s not good for creative works. What creative work? This is basic communication that we carefully outline first and then feed it to the LLM to spit out the same thing in formal language. Lol permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You do not have access to a secret LLM that doesn’t introduce errors. You either don’t notice them or dismiss them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 months ago You could have just gone to the page without asking daddy Copilot how to do it 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] username_1@programming.dev -22 points 7 months ago (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SPRUNT@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago (6 children) Are you not familiar with "ctrl+f"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum -7 points 7 months ago* (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children) Better question is, when did you lose basic keyword-based searching skills? I know you may want your answers on a platter but realize that there's value in manual searches. Searching for something with LLMs on the page that you're on is questionable on so many levels. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum -2 points 7 months ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (4 children) It's not harder, though, it's actually quite instant if you know what you're doing. A lot of documentation is literally one single web page, and the majority that is not can be navigated with the regular search and ctrl+F just fine. There's no substitute to taking 40 minutes to get acquainted with the documentation to know what you need rather than trial & error your way through a problem blindly. you could get an LLM to return you the correct page in some documentation It's unreliable and prone to errors, and I say that after using LLM-based searches for months at work. Too many times it confuses areas, makes stuff up, or cites some irrelevant page just to give any answer at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child) How can I possibly be doing it wrong when the page it's citing mentions nothing of what it's taking about, or when it tells me to do something that we as a company do not do? I’ve been doing this shit for 20 years now. Welcome to the club. it’s an extremely useful tool Sure, for writing letters but not for searching which is what I'm taking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago I don’t rely on the LLM to give me the answer. So why are you assuming that I do, again? Aren't I the one telling you that I do manual searches precisely because the search function is so hit or miss? it’s not good for creative works. What creative work? This is basic communication that we carefully outline first and then feed it to the LLM to spit out the same thing in formal language. Lol permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You do not have access to a secret LLM that doesn’t introduce errors. You either don’t notice them or dismiss them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 months ago You could have just gone to the page without asking daddy Copilot how to do it 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] SPRUNT@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago (6 children) Are you not familiar with "ctrl+f"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum -7 points 7 months ago* (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children) Better question is, when did you lose basic keyword-based searching skills? I know you may want your answers on a platter but realize that there's value in manual searches. Searching for something with LLMs on the page that you're on is questionable on so many levels. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum -2 points 7 months ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (4 children) It's not harder, though, it's actually quite instant if you know what you're doing. A lot of documentation is literally one single web page, and the majority that is not can be navigated with the regular search and ctrl+F just fine. There's no substitute to taking 40 minutes to get acquainted with the documentation to know what you need rather than trial & error your way through a problem blindly. you could get an LLM to return you the correct page in some documentation It's unreliable and prone to errors, and I say that after using LLM-based searches for months at work. Too many times it confuses areas, makes stuff up, or cites some irrelevant page just to give any answer at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child) How can I possibly be doing it wrong when the page it's citing mentions nothing of what it's taking about, or when it tells me to do something that we as a company do not do? I’ve been doing this shit for 20 years now. Welcome to the club. it’s an extremely useful tool Sure, for writing letters but not for searching which is what I'm taking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago I don’t rely on the LLM to give me the answer. So why are you assuming that I do, again? Aren't I the one telling you that I do manual searches precisely because the search function is so hit or miss? it’s not good for creative works. What creative work? This is basic communication that we carefully outline first and then feed it to the LLM to spit out the same thing in formal language. Lol permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You do not have access to a secret LLM that doesn’t introduce errors. You either don’t notice them or dismiss them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 months ago You could have just gone to the page without asking daddy Copilot how to do it 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Deceptichum -7 points 7 months ago* (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children) Better question is, when did you lose basic keyword-based searching skills? I know you may want your answers on a platter but realize that there's value in manual searches. Searching for something with LLMs on the page that you're on is questionable on so many levels. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum -2 points 7 months ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (4 children) It's not harder, though, it's actually quite instant if you know what you're doing. A lot of documentation is literally one single web page, and the majority that is not can be navigated with the regular search and ctrl+F just fine. There's no substitute to taking 40 minutes to get acquainted with the documentation to know what you need rather than trial & error your way through a problem blindly. you could get an LLM to return you the correct page in some documentation It's unreliable and prone to errors, and I say that after using LLM-based searches for months at work. Too many times it confuses areas, makes stuff up, or cites some irrelevant page just to give any answer at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child) How can I possibly be doing it wrong when the page it's citing mentions nothing of what it's taking about, or when it tells me to do something that we as a company do not do? I’ve been doing this shit for 20 years now. Welcome to the club. it’s an extremely useful tool Sure, for writing letters but not for searching which is what I'm taking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago I don’t rely on the LLM to give me the answer. So why are you assuming that I do, again? Aren't I the one telling you that I do manual searches precisely because the search function is so hit or miss? it’s not good for creative works. What creative work? This is basic communication that we carefully outline first and then feed it to the LLM to spit out the same thing in formal language. Lol permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You do not have access to a secret LLM that doesn’t introduce errors. You either don’t notice them or dismiss them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 months ago You could have just gone to the page without asking daddy Copilot how to do it 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children) Better question is, when did you lose basic keyword-based searching skills? I know you may want your answers on a platter but realize that there's value in manual searches. Searching for something with LLMs on the page that you're on is questionable on so many levels. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum -2 points 7 months ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (4 children) It's not harder, though, it's actually quite instant if you know what you're doing. A lot of documentation is literally one single web page, and the majority that is not can be navigated with the regular search and ctrl+F just fine. There's no substitute to taking 40 minutes to get acquainted with the documentation to know what you need rather than trial & error your way through a problem blindly. you could get an LLM to return you the correct page in some documentation It's unreliable and prone to errors, and I say that after using LLM-based searches for months at work. Too many times it confuses areas, makes stuff up, or cites some irrelevant page just to give any answer at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child) How can I possibly be doing it wrong when the page it's citing mentions nothing of what it's taking about, or when it tells me to do something that we as a company do not do? I’ve been doing this shit for 20 years now. Welcome to the club. it’s an extremely useful tool Sure, for writing letters but not for searching which is what I'm taking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago I don’t rely on the LLM to give me the answer. So why are you assuming that I do, again? Aren't I the one telling you that I do manual searches precisely because the search function is so hit or miss? it’s not good for creative works. What creative work? This is basic communication that we carefully outline first and then feed it to the LLM to spit out the same thing in formal language. Lol permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You do not have access to a secret LLM that doesn’t introduce errors. You either don’t notice them or dismiss them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 months ago You could have just gone to the page without asking daddy Copilot how to do it 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Deceptichum -2 points 7 months ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (4 children) It's not harder, though, it's actually quite instant if you know what you're doing. A lot of documentation is literally one single web page, and the majority that is not can be navigated with the regular search and ctrl+F just fine. There's no substitute to taking 40 minutes to get acquainted with the documentation to know what you need rather than trial & error your way through a problem blindly. you could get an LLM to return you the correct page in some documentation It's unreliable and prone to errors, and I say that after using LLM-based searches for months at work. Too many times it confuses areas, makes stuff up, or cites some irrelevant page just to give any answer at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child) How can I possibly be doing it wrong when the page it's citing mentions nothing of what it's taking about, or when it tells me to do something that we as a company do not do? I’ve been doing this shit for 20 years now. Welcome to the club. it’s an extremely useful tool Sure, for writing letters but not for searching which is what I'm taking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago I don’t rely on the LLM to give me the answer. So why are you assuming that I do, again? Aren't I the one telling you that I do manual searches precisely because the search function is so hit or miss? it’s not good for creative works. What creative work? This is basic communication that we carefully outline first and then feed it to the LLM to spit out the same thing in formal language. Lol permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You do not have access to a secret LLM that doesn’t introduce errors. You either don’t notice them or dismiss them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 months ago You could have just gone to the page without asking daddy Copilot how to do it 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (4 children) It's not harder, though, it's actually quite instant if you know what you're doing. A lot of documentation is literally one single web page, and the majority that is not can be navigated with the regular search and ctrl+F just fine. There's no substitute to taking 40 minutes to get acquainted with the documentation to know what you need rather than trial & error your way through a problem blindly. you could get an LLM to return you the correct page in some documentation It's unreliable and prone to errors, and I say that after using LLM-based searches for months at work. Too many times it confuses areas, makes stuff up, or cites some irrelevant page just to give any answer at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child) How can I possibly be doing it wrong when the page it's citing mentions nothing of what it's taking about, or when it tells me to do something that we as a company do not do? I’ve been doing this shit for 20 years now. Welcome to the club. it’s an extremely useful tool Sure, for writing letters but not for searching which is what I'm taking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago I don’t rely on the LLM to give me the answer. So why are you assuming that I do, again? Aren't I the one telling you that I do manual searches precisely because the search function is so hit or miss? it’s not good for creative works. What creative work? This is basic communication that we carefully outline first and then feed it to the LLM to spit out the same thing in formal language. Lol permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You do not have access to a secret LLM that doesn’t introduce errors. You either don’t notice them or dismiss them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 months ago You could have just gone to the page without asking daddy Copilot how to do it 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child) How can I possibly be doing it wrong when the page it's citing mentions nothing of what it's taking about, or when it tells me to do something that we as a company do not do? I’ve been doing this shit for 20 years now. Welcome to the club. it’s an extremely useful tool Sure, for writing letters but not for searching which is what I'm taking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago I don’t rely on the LLM to give me the answer. So why are you assuming that I do, again? Aren't I the one telling you that I do manual searches precisely because the search function is so hit or miss? it’s not good for creative works. What creative work? This is basic communication that we carefully outline first and then feed it to the LLM to spit out the same thing in formal language. Lol permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You do not have access to a secret LLM that doesn’t introduce errors. You either don’t notice them or dismiss them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 months ago You could have just gone to the page without asking daddy Copilot how to do it 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child) How can I possibly be doing it wrong when the page it's citing mentions nothing of what it's taking about, or when it tells me to do something that we as a company do not do? I’ve been doing this shit for 20 years now. Welcome to the club. it’s an extremely useful tool Sure, for writing letters but not for searching which is what I'm taking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago I don’t rely on the LLM to give me the answer. So why are you assuming that I do, again? Aren't I the one telling you that I do manual searches precisely because the search function is so hit or miss? it’s not good for creative works. What creative work? This is basic communication that we carefully outline first and then feed it to the LLM to spit out the same thing in formal language. Lol permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago I don’t rely on the LLM to give me the answer. So why are you assuming that I do, again? Aren't I the one telling you that I do manual searches precisely because the search function is so hit or miss? it’s not good for creative works. What creative work? This is basic communication that we carefully outline first and then feed it to the LLM to spit out the same thing in formal language. Lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago I don’t rely on the LLM to give me the answer. So why are you assuming that I do, again? Aren't I the one telling you that I do manual searches precisely because the search function is so hit or miss? it’s not good for creative works. What creative work? This is basic communication that we carefully outline first and then feed it to the LLM to spit out the same thing in formal language. Lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You do not have access to a secret LLM that doesn’t introduce errors. You either don’t notice them or dismiss them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 months ago You could have just gone to the page without asking daddy Copilot how to do it 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Deceptichum 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 months ago You could have just gone to the page without asking daddy Copilot how to do it 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 months ago You could have just gone to the page without asking daddy Copilot how to do it 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 55 points 7 months ago (7 children) If they’re so useful, why are they being forced on everyone, including by making them part of performance reviews? If they’re useful people will naturally use them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] username_1@programming.dev -64 points 7 months ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 9 points 7 months ago* Why would this new cool technology should be an exception? I very often do push back against things that they try to force down everyone's throat. AI is not exceptional in this regard. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 4 points 7 months ago temu tyler durden permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago No, I do none of those things. You just sound like a resentful conformist. Maybe try thinking and doing for yourself, instead of thinking and doing as you’re told. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 7 months ago So cool... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zoot@reddthat.com 2 points 7 months ago The projection is strong in this one permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[+] username_1@programming.dev -64 points 7 months ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 9 points 7 months ago* Why would this new cool technology should be an exception? I very often do push back against things that they try to force down everyone's throat. AI is not exceptional in this regard. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 4 points 7 months ago temu tyler durden permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago No, I do none of those things. You just sound like a resentful conformist. Maybe try thinking and doing for yourself, instead of thinking and doing as you’re told. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 7 months ago So cool... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zoot@reddthat.com 2 points 7 months ago The projection is strong in this one permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 9 points 7 months ago* Why would this new cool technology should be an exception? I very often do push back against things that they try to force down everyone's throat. AI is not exceptional in this regard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago No, I do none of those things. You just sound like a resentful conformist. Maybe try thinking and doing for yourself, instead of thinking and doing as you’re told. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zoot@reddthat.com 2 points 7 months ago The projection is strong in this one permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 8 points 7 months ago (2 children) How about allowing AI to be rolled out and adopted organically instead of trying to gavage it down everyone's throats? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] username_1@programming.dev 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 6 points 7 months ago That would be true of any technology. Technology doesn't have agency; my comment is clearly directed at corpos that are pushing it. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] username_1@programming.dev 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 6 points 7 months ago That would be true of any technology. Technology doesn't have agency; my comment is clearly directed at corpos that are pushing it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 6 points 7 months ago That would be true of any technology. Technology doesn't have agency; my comment is clearly directed at corpos that are pushing it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dumhuvud@programming.dev 17 points 7 months ago not against useful tools Nobody's fighting against you guys. Why do sloperators have to take everything personally? Smh my head. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo 17 points 7 months ago They're not useful tools. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (11 children) I'd that tool didn't come at the destructive costs involved, AI would be a lot more palatable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] username_1@programming.dev -27 points 7 months ago (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago You may think you're being clever, but that is hardly a reasonable comparison while also ignoring the glaring corporate irresponsibility underlying both. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (6 children) If that's what it takes to stop the excessive destruction caused by unregulated data center construction and operation, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] username_1@programming.dev -13 points 7 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (4 children) Do you need to reread my comment instead of reacting to a single word of it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] username_1@programming.dev -9 points 7 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (2 children) I answered you. But you still seem confused. What don't you understand about my reply? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monsieur_hackerman@programming.dev 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) They're ai and their context window ran out of space lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago Lol sure seems like it. I didn't think my reply was that complex. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TwilitSky@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago I don't care what you do but keep your hands off those videos. I need them for things. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 7 months ago If AI is just like a video data center, why did data center energy usage stay stable before AI? Why has data center energy usage doubled since 2010 if videos and AI are equivalent in energy usage? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] username_1@programming.dev -27 points 7 months ago (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago You may think you're being clever, but that is hardly a reasonable comparison while also ignoring the glaring corporate irresponsibility underlying both. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (6 children) If that's what it takes to stop the excessive destruction caused by unregulated data center construction and operation, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] username_1@programming.dev -13 points 7 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (4 children) Do you need to reread my comment instead of reacting to a single word of it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] username_1@programming.dev -9 points 7 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (2 children) I answered you. But you still seem confused. What don't you understand about my reply? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monsieur_hackerman@programming.dev 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) They're ai and their context window ran out of space lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago Lol sure seems like it. I didn't think my reply was that complex. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TwilitSky@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago I don't care what you do but keep your hands off those videos. I need them for things. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 7 months ago If AI is just like a video data center, why did data center energy usage stay stable before AI? Why has data center energy usage doubled since 2010 if videos and AI are equivalent in energy usage? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago You may think you're being clever, but that is hardly a reasonable comparison while also ignoring the glaring corporate irresponsibility underlying both. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (6 children) If that's what it takes to stop the excessive destruction caused by unregulated data center construction and operation, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] username_1@programming.dev -13 points 7 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (4 children) Do you need to reread my comment instead of reacting to a single word of it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] username_1@programming.dev -9 points 7 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (2 children) I answered you. But you still seem confused. What don't you understand about my reply? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monsieur_hackerman@programming.dev 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) They're ai and their context window ran out of space lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago Lol sure seems like it. I didn't think my reply was that complex. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] username_1@programming.dev -13 points 7 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (4 children) Do you need to reread my comment instead of reacting to a single word of it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] username_1@programming.dev -9 points 7 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (2 children) I answered you. But you still seem confused. What don't you understand about my reply? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monsieur_hackerman@programming.dev 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) They're ai and their context window ran out of space lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago Lol sure seems like it. I didn't think my reply was that complex. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (4 children) Do you need to reread my comment instead of reacting to a single word of it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] username_1@programming.dev -9 points 7 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (2 children) I answered you. But you still seem confused. What don't you understand about my reply? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monsieur_hackerman@programming.dev 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) They're ai and their context window ran out of space lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago Lol sure seems like it. I didn't think my reply was that complex. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] username_1@programming.dev -9 points 7 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (2 children) I answered you. But you still seem confused. What don't you understand about my reply? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monsieur_hackerman@programming.dev 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) They're ai and their context window ran out of space lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago Lol sure seems like it. I didn't think my reply was that complex. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (2 children) I answered you. But you still seem confused. What don't you understand about my reply? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monsieur_hackerman@programming.dev 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) They're ai and their context window ran out of space lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago Lol sure seems like it. I didn't think my reply was that complex. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] monsieur_hackerman@programming.dev 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) They're ai and their context window ran out of space lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago Lol sure seems like it. I didn't think my reply was that complex. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago Lol sure seems like it. I didn't think my reply was that complex. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TwilitSky@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago I don't care what you do but keep your hands off those videos. I need them for things. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 7 months ago If AI is just like a video data center, why did data center energy usage stay stable before AI? Why has data center energy usage doubled since 2010 if videos and AI are equivalent in energy usage? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago You're screaming into the echo chamber, mate. Unless you're so rabidly anti-AI you believe and spread one of a few comforting, imaginary narratives, you'll be dog piled. I'm staunchly critical of AI, but won't pretend that it only consists of generative AI, that it still operates as poorly as it did years ago, nor that a disturbing percentage of the population either doesn't care about or actually supports that shit, so I get my share of insults. Being pro-AI won't get you much civility so set your expectations low. Unless you're trolling. Then you've nailed it. permalink fedilink source parent