▲ 242 ▼ Here's the severance package Oracle offered laid-off US employees (www.businessinsider.com) submitted 7 months ago by themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/technology@lemmy.world 68 comments fedilink hide all child comments Oracle offered laid-off US employees four weeks' base salary plus one week per additional year of employment up to 26 weeks as severance, according to an excerpt of internal severance terms viewed by Business Insider.
[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 47 points 7 months ago (15 children) US labor laws are 3rd World and suck shit. permalink fedilink source hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] melfie@lemmy.zip 12 points 7 months ago (1 child) My friend was part of the layoff and said they are providing 2 weeks of benefits. So, no health insurance after 2 weeks. It’s barbaric that access to healthcare is tied to employers in this country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ContriteErudite@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago Ownership class needs to extract as much value as they can out of their workers. They think that if you don't entangle healthcare with employment, then no one's going to work anymore. I think it is all projection; the wealthy already don't work nearly as hard as the people they exploit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SavageCoconut@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago (1 child) Nope. Third world's are better… actually, third world countries are trying to emulate us labor laws to make the employees easier to fire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] piwakawakas@lemmy.nz 3 points 7 months ago Thankfully the asshole trying to do that here is gone. I'm sure they'll find someone new to replace her soon though.... permalink fedilink source parent [+] wpb@lemmy.world -9 points 7 months ago (2 children) They're very much first world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Griffus@lemmy.zip 5 points 7 months ago (1 child) Not compared to first world countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago The shit about numbered worlds is a relic from the cold war. Neither of the worlds exist anymore, really. permalink fedilink source parent [+] titanicx@lemmy.zip -12 points 7 months ago (7 children) How is up to 30 weeks of pay bad? About most people would kill for this kind of payout. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago In Italy if you get fired (not if you quit voluntarily) it's mandatory by law to get 75% of salary for 104 weeks (but from the six month it will get reduced by a 3% monthly) plus the severance package is at least 6.9% of the yearly gross salary multiplied by the number of years worked there. On top of that, most union contracts (97% of workers in the country) increase that amount of money that the company has to pay. Finally, it's a bureaucratic mess. You can't just fire employees with an email sent Friday afternoon and expect to get the offices empty on Monday. In order to fire more than 5 employees over 120 days the company has to get agreement with unions (money incentive to resign; early retirement; higher and/or longer severance pay) and if it's doesn't get an agreement within 45 days it will need to get an agreement with the government (another 30 days) where need to pay at least a 5850 euro tax for each fired employee. So from the cuts announcement, workers have at least 2 months of full pay and full work. The only way to fire employees "American style", "from today you're unemployed" in Italy it's bankruptcy (chapter 7) but proceeds from the liquidation Will be used to pay permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 9 points 7 months ago (5 children) First of all very clearly says up to 26 weeks. So I don't know where you're getting 30 from. The fact that it's even shittier for other people doesn't make this not shitty though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) 4 weeks base plus up to 26 additional weeks depending on how long they were employed, which was my reading as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 7 months ago That's not what they said in the quote in the article. "Per the Plan, you are eligible for Enhanced severance pay benefits of: four weeks of base salary for your first year of employment, plus one week's salary for each additional year of employment, based on your most recent hire date, up to a combined maximum of 26 weeks of base salary." permalink fedilink source parent [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -5 points 7 months ago (2 children) 4 weeks base pay. Plus up to 26 weeks based off years of service. So a long term employee can get up to 30 weeks of pay. Hell 4 weeks alone is better the 90% of employers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) I think that's a very generous reading, generosity I don't think is warranted by this company. Again it doesn't matter if other workers have it worse, that's irrelevant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -3 points 7 months ago Companies like this have always had layoffs and hirings. It's the eb and flow of business. We have had a great amount of these, but the AI cracks are showing, and a rehiring will happen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] melfie@lemmy.zip 12 points 7 months ago (1 child) My friend was part of the layoff and said they are providing 2 weeks of benefits. So, no health insurance after 2 weeks. It’s barbaric that access to healthcare is tied to employers in this country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ContriteErudite@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago Ownership class needs to extract as much value as they can out of their workers. They think that if you don't entangle healthcare with employment, then no one's going to work anymore. I think it is all projection; the wealthy already don't work nearly as hard as the people they exploit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ContriteErudite@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago Ownership class needs to extract as much value as they can out of their workers. They think that if you don't entangle healthcare with employment, then no one's going to work anymore. I think it is all projection; the wealthy already don't work nearly as hard as the people they exploit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SavageCoconut@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago (1 child) Nope. Third world's are better… actually, third world countries are trying to emulate us labor laws to make the employees easier to fire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] piwakawakas@lemmy.nz 3 points 7 months ago Thankfully the asshole trying to do that here is gone. I'm sure they'll find someone new to replace her soon though.... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] piwakawakas@lemmy.nz 3 points 7 months ago Thankfully the asshole trying to do that here is gone. I'm sure they'll find someone new to replace her soon though.... permalink fedilink source parent
[+] wpb@lemmy.world -9 points 7 months ago (2 children) They're very much first world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Griffus@lemmy.zip 5 points 7 months ago (1 child) Not compared to first world countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago The shit about numbered worlds is a relic from the cold war. Neither of the worlds exist anymore, really. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Griffus@lemmy.zip 5 points 7 months ago (1 child) Not compared to first world countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago The shit about numbered worlds is a relic from the cold war. Neither of the worlds exist anymore, really. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago The shit about numbered worlds is a relic from the cold war. Neither of the worlds exist anymore, really. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] titanicx@lemmy.zip -12 points 7 months ago (7 children) How is up to 30 weeks of pay bad? About most people would kill for this kind of payout. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago In Italy if you get fired (not if you quit voluntarily) it's mandatory by law to get 75% of salary for 104 weeks (but from the six month it will get reduced by a 3% monthly) plus the severance package is at least 6.9% of the yearly gross salary multiplied by the number of years worked there. On top of that, most union contracts (97% of workers in the country) increase that amount of money that the company has to pay. Finally, it's a bureaucratic mess. You can't just fire employees with an email sent Friday afternoon and expect to get the offices empty on Monday. In order to fire more than 5 employees over 120 days the company has to get agreement with unions (money incentive to resign; early retirement; higher and/or longer severance pay) and if it's doesn't get an agreement within 45 days it will need to get an agreement with the government (another 30 days) where need to pay at least a 5850 euro tax for each fired employee. So from the cuts announcement, workers have at least 2 months of full pay and full work. The only way to fire employees "American style", "from today you're unemployed" in Italy it's bankruptcy (chapter 7) but proceeds from the liquidation Will be used to pay permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 9 points 7 months ago (5 children) First of all very clearly says up to 26 weeks. So I don't know where you're getting 30 from. The fact that it's even shittier for other people doesn't make this not shitty though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) 4 weeks base plus up to 26 additional weeks depending on how long they were employed, which was my reading as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 7 months ago That's not what they said in the quote in the article. "Per the Plan, you are eligible for Enhanced severance pay benefits of: four weeks of base salary for your first year of employment, plus one week's salary for each additional year of employment, based on your most recent hire date, up to a combined maximum of 26 weeks of base salary." permalink fedilink source parent [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -5 points 7 months ago (2 children) 4 weeks base pay. Plus up to 26 weeks based off years of service. So a long term employee can get up to 30 weeks of pay. Hell 4 weeks alone is better the 90% of employers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) I think that's a very generous reading, generosity I don't think is warranted by this company. Again it doesn't matter if other workers have it worse, that's irrelevant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -3 points 7 months ago Companies like this have always had layoffs and hirings. It's the eb and flow of business. We have had a great amount of these, but the AI cracks are showing, and a rehiring will happen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago In Italy if you get fired (not if you quit voluntarily) it's mandatory by law to get 75% of salary for 104 weeks (but from the six month it will get reduced by a 3% monthly) plus the severance package is at least 6.9% of the yearly gross salary multiplied by the number of years worked there. On top of that, most union contracts (97% of workers in the country) increase that amount of money that the company has to pay. Finally, it's a bureaucratic mess. You can't just fire employees with an email sent Friday afternoon and expect to get the offices empty on Monday. In order to fire more than 5 employees over 120 days the company has to get agreement with unions (money incentive to resign; early retirement; higher and/or longer severance pay) and if it's doesn't get an agreement within 45 days it will need to get an agreement with the government (another 30 days) where need to pay at least a 5850 euro tax for each fired employee. So from the cuts announcement, workers have at least 2 months of full pay and full work. The only way to fire employees "American style", "from today you're unemployed" in Italy it's bankruptcy (chapter 7) but proceeds from the liquidation Will be used to pay permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 9 points 7 months ago (5 children) First of all very clearly says up to 26 weeks. So I don't know where you're getting 30 from. The fact that it's even shittier for other people doesn't make this not shitty though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) 4 weeks base plus up to 26 additional weeks depending on how long they were employed, which was my reading as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 7 months ago That's not what they said in the quote in the article. "Per the Plan, you are eligible for Enhanced severance pay benefits of: four weeks of base salary for your first year of employment, plus one week's salary for each additional year of employment, based on your most recent hire date, up to a combined maximum of 26 weeks of base salary." permalink fedilink source parent [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -5 points 7 months ago (2 children) 4 weeks base pay. Plus up to 26 weeks based off years of service. So a long term employee can get up to 30 weeks of pay. Hell 4 weeks alone is better the 90% of employers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) I think that's a very generous reading, generosity I don't think is warranted by this company. Again it doesn't matter if other workers have it worse, that's irrelevant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -3 points 7 months ago Companies like this have always had layoffs and hirings. It's the eb and flow of business. We have had a great amount of these, but the AI cracks are showing, and a rehiring will happen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) 4 weeks base plus up to 26 additional weeks depending on how long they were employed, which was my reading as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 7 months ago That's not what they said in the quote in the article. "Per the Plan, you are eligible for Enhanced severance pay benefits of: four weeks of base salary for your first year of employment, plus one week's salary for each additional year of employment, based on your most recent hire date, up to a combined maximum of 26 weeks of base salary." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 7 months ago That's not what they said in the quote in the article. "Per the Plan, you are eligible for Enhanced severance pay benefits of: four weeks of base salary for your first year of employment, plus one week's salary for each additional year of employment, based on your most recent hire date, up to a combined maximum of 26 weeks of base salary." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -5 points 7 months ago (2 children) 4 weeks base pay. Plus up to 26 weeks based off years of service. So a long term employee can get up to 30 weeks of pay. Hell 4 weeks alone is better the 90% of employers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) I think that's a very generous reading, generosity I don't think is warranted by this company. Again it doesn't matter if other workers have it worse, that's irrelevant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -3 points 7 months ago Companies like this have always had layoffs and hirings. It's the eb and flow of business. We have had a great amount of these, but the AI cracks are showing, and a rehiring will happen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) I think that's a very generous reading, generosity I don't think is warranted by this company. Again it doesn't matter if other workers have it worse, that's irrelevant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -3 points 7 months ago Companies like this have always had layoffs and hirings. It's the eb and flow of business. We have had a great amount of these, but the AI cracks are showing, and a rehiring will happen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -3 points 7 months ago Companies like this have always had layoffs and hirings. It's the eb and flow of business. We have had a great amount of these, but the AI cracks are showing, and a rehiring will happen. permalink fedilink source parent