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How did your country vote? (lemmy.ml)
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Yesterday, a Declaration of the trafficking of enslaved Africans and Racialized Chattel Enslavement of Africans as the Gravest Crime against Humanity was voted at UNO. As usual, Israel and the USA voted against. How did your country vote? Any thoughts about it?

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[โ€“] 11 points 7 months ago* (8 children)

Yeah in a parliamentarian position I guess abstention is different from saying no, especially when the legislation has the votes.

But I guess what I was trying to articulate is that it feels like they are respecting? the no votes by abstaining, IE not contradicting.

This feels like a serious cop out on an issue as absurdly black and white as actual Chattel slavery.

Edit: Good point though about reservations on the text, we don't know what it said, although that defense can also apply to the No's as well, which is why I shied away from it.

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  • [โ€“] 25 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    What we do know is that the full title includes "as the Gravest Crime against Humanity" and I can fully respect countries having reservations against that when there are other similarly horrible crimes. I don't know why Germany abstained but I figure that some people might be pretty angry at them if they declared the slave trade was worst than the holocaust.

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I think scale is the issue.

    Basically, it was legal to rape, murder and/or kidnap Africans. It was so profitable that the main slave dealers were African tribes/nations who would sell their prisoners of war to the slave trade - thus encouraging more war and more slavery.

    Estimates of African deaths (on the low side) are double that of the Holocaust.

    This went on for 400 years. (Nazi power lasted only about 12 years by comparison.)

    And even to this day, the African slave trade is responsible for much of the racism and division we see. So, yeah, slave trade shaped our world in many ways.

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  • [โ€“] [S] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    Also, they could rape their slaves, so they could have more slaves to trade and exploit. I'm not sure if that number, twice the Holocaust, is correct for deaths. Wikipedia says that 12 - 12.8 million Africans were successfully trafficked to the Americas, as records show. This is only the recorded number, and it doesn't take into account the descendants of 350 years of surviving.

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  • [โ€“] [S] 3 points 7 months ago

    Absolutely fair for them, I guess. I do think it's objectively the worst thing that ever happened as even some countries in the EU seem to back, and it's not even close. That doesn't mean other terrible things were perpetrated by the same kind of people.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    yup, the reason I left them off my initial list of call outs precisely.

    Edit: Curious if any grammar pros have an thoughts on the statement specifically, what is implied by it? Does it mean gravest of all time? Gravest currently occurring? Those are my concerns and things we / (I) don't precisely know from the context of this post.

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I skimmed over the full text earlier, it gives reasons for why it was the gravest crime against humanity, and in general did seem like it meant the gravest that ever happened (that we know of at least).

    It also mentions (and really is about) reparations which I suspect mightve influenced the abstains even more than the assertion that it was the gravest crime. Easier to weasel yourself out of doing anything/keep reparations low if you can say you never really voted yes on that.

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