The NYPD is skulking through the L train demanding IDs from Black and Latino men, again with zero justified cause or explanation as to why.

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[+] -9 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Would someone care to explain why would they not show their ID? Is it better to get detained than showing your ID, unless you have something to hide?
Anyway, in my country we are required by law to show police officers our IDs when asked.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Dumb question because we don't know these men and we can't answer for them. If you're really interested, look up the case and see if there's any news, they may have told their stories by now.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    When assessing the degree and quality of liberty in a country, one of the factors considered in academic political science is the requirement of personal identification by law enforcement. It [used] to be a trope of Hollywood cinema that takes place in the Eastern Bloc (Warsaw Pact countries) that ordinary citizens and obvious tourists were routinely harassed by law enforcement for their papers, a stark reminder that here in the states you can even cross state lines without identifying yourself.

    It's getting more interesting as law enforcement is pre-emptively collecting biometric data on school kids and other vulnerable demographics.

    Currently wending through state courts is the controversy of using biometric data to identify suspects, which may be regarded as an [unreasonable] search from which we (all, citizens or otherwise) are supposed to be protected, according to the fourth amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

    In this specific incident, the NYPD is notoriously racist and aggressive, so this may be contempt of cop while black As the adage goes, you can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride. This assures these young men will have a bad week regardless of their guilt of any wrongdoing.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago*

    …it soon became evident that this net was cast too wide for any private agency. Not merely was my own mail opened, but the mail of all my relatives and friends—people residing in places as far apart as California and Florida. I recall the bland smile of a government official to whom I complained about this matter: "If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear."

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    As others have said we are not required to provide ID unless there is a cause. Stopping 2 people without stating why means no cause and they have the right to say no and it should end with ok have a nice day, but our rights are tested more and more. Some good news is its generally an easy case for a lawyer to pickup and win meaning they could get a payout from the city. The sad news is generally nothing will be done about the cops who abuse their job and cause the tax payers more money in lawsuits that should never happen.

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    so if I wanna take a stroll in the morning in my gym shorts without my wallet flopping around in my pocket, I am committing a crime?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Yes. In that case they will probably ask you about your info, check in their system, you would get a fine for not carrying your documents, and that's it.
    A BIG difference, however, is that they will not even approach you if you are not doing something you should not be doing. In other words, they will not bother you while you're sitting on a bench or taking a stroll.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    We are not. And I can describe having a spine for you, but I can't have a spine for you.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Why do you assume I don't have it?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    Because of the bootlicking statement you made.

    Cops in America are not your friend. They have no duty protect nor serve the American people. Their job is to write tickets and make arrests, to help fuel the for-profit prison system and keep the money flowing. (Empty prisons don't generate profit.)

    Their second duty is to constantly harass people of color to make them feel unwelcome in the country. It starts with approaching brown people who have committed no crime and asking for ID. The goal is to be escalate things in hopes that the person they're harassing will fight back, that way they have an excuse to charge them with assaulting an officer or interfering with police duties.

    It's sick, twisted, and fucked up, and the worst part about is is that over a 3rd of the United States voting population supports this behavior.

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  • [+] -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • For example, I know someone on lemmy who was viewing this sublemmy, didn't do anything, got banned, and was so upset he actually died.

    I smell BS.

    1. Didn't do anything, but got banned? Possible, but improbable.

    2. Got so upset by a ban on Lemmy that the person died? So close to impossible that I would call it impossible.

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