▲ 531 ▼ Jensen Huang says Nvidia engineers should use AI tokens worth half their annual salary every year to be fully productive (www.tomshardware.com) submitted 7 months ago by artifex@piefed.social to c/technology@lemmy.world 106 comments fedilink hide all child comments You're not productive if you don't use a lot of AI, says guy who makes all of his money selling AI hardware
[+] Feyd@programming.dev 181 points 7 months ago* (20 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 70 points 7 months ago (3 children) It's worse, they want to change the global economy to corporations paying corporations... The total elimation of actual consumers, because none of us will be able to afford to consume enough. AI companies need people to pay for AI to keep buying Nvidia chips. So Nvidia is making their employees pay for the AI so AI companies keep buying Nvidia chips. It's not a sustainable system, it's just a money churn whose only purpose is to consolidate wealth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago (1 child) I'm hungry. When do we eat? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ickplant@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago That’s the neat part! permalink fedilink source parent [–] wabafee@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago So ponzi scheme? permalink fedilink source parent [–] artifex@piefed.social [S] 25 points 7 months ago (7 children) I didn't read it that way. I think he's saying "bosses: if you're paying a $100k salary to a dev and not also paying $50k for tokens, your dev isn't working hard enough". Which is better, but only just. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Windex007@lemmy.world 45 points 7 months ago (2 children) To refine that even further, he doesn't appear to imply that the dev isn't WORKING hard enough, only that they're not being OPTIMALLY PRODUCTIVE. What he's trying to do, really is float and normalize the concept of baking tokens into HR math in terms of a "golden ratio"... which happens to be 2:1. So, when a company goes all in on ai, and they cut thier workforce in half, they'll need to add in 50% for tokens. 50% of the original staff, at a new 150% cost, puts the company at 75% pre ai workforce cost. This is the "guidelines" they're trying to normalize. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 15 points 7 months ago (1 child) It's funny how his calculation factors in the completely immaterial price of tokens variable instead the material one which is the number of tokens or better yet the productivity gain per token. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago Huh, yeah. 50% cost in tokens could be 1 very expensive token or 1 million tokens. Who knows? permalink fedilink source parent [–] TwodogsFighting@lemdro.id 16 points 7 months ago (2 children) I think he's saying slaves should owe their soul to the company store. Don't give this sack of shite the benefit of doubt. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) he needs new jackets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago A straight white one permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] fartographer@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago With my trusty LLM, I follow the steps recommending that I try reaching inside the die press to look for any jammed parts that could have caused the machine to suddenly stop working. My coworker, who my boss sent to assist me based on instructions from her LLM, asks his LLM how to help me. My coworker's LLM recommends that he check if the emergency stop button has been pulled... permalink fedilink source parent [–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 9 points 7 months ago (2 children) Just a few days ago they were indeed talking about giving tokens as bonus. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 7 months ago Is company chit still illegal if it’s a bonus? permalink fedilink source parent [–] CuddlesMcBubblefun@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago That's one the most insanely stupid things I've ever heard. Tokens are a tool used to do your job, a business expense, not fucking compensation. Are the kWh that you use to light and air condition an office part of your compensation? How about toner and paper in the office printer? If those tokens are a bonus, they're yours, right? So you can burn half your annual salary worth of tokens translating Microsoft Encarta 95 into Klingon, and they will foot the bill? permalink fedilink source parent [–] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 9 points 7 months ago They also really want to talk about tokens like they’re some kind of currency i think it is better than pizza fridays for them, because they probably can't barter pizza for free. permalink fedilink source parent [–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (1 child) The tokens as currency thing feels exactly like gaming microtransaction bullshit to me. Obscure the true cost of each purchase by selling in-game currency. Dark patterns lead to higher spending. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago It's proof of work cryptocurrency. But at least this time the compute is aiming at producing something useful, not the lowest hash value. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nightlily@leminal.space 6 points 7 months ago Sure I don’t get any retirement or healthcare benefits, but look at all the company scrip I get for the sloppy autocomplete that is stealing all my groundwater no matter how many times someone says „closed loop cooling“. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 70 points 7 months ago (3 children) It's worse, they want to change the global economy to corporations paying corporations... The total elimation of actual consumers, because none of us will be able to afford to consume enough. AI companies need people to pay for AI to keep buying Nvidia chips. So Nvidia is making their employees pay for the AI so AI companies keep buying Nvidia chips. It's not a sustainable system, it's just a money churn whose only purpose is to consolidate wealth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago (1 child) I'm hungry. When do we eat? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ickplant@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago That’s the neat part! permalink fedilink source parent [–] wabafee@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago So ponzi scheme? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago (1 child) I'm hungry. When do we eat? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ickplant@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago That’s the neat part! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ickplant@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago That’s the neat part! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artifex@piefed.social [S] 25 points 7 months ago (7 children) I didn't read it that way. I think he's saying "bosses: if you're paying a $100k salary to a dev and not also paying $50k for tokens, your dev isn't working hard enough". Which is better, but only just. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Windex007@lemmy.world 45 points 7 months ago (2 children) To refine that even further, he doesn't appear to imply that the dev isn't WORKING hard enough, only that they're not being OPTIMALLY PRODUCTIVE. What he's trying to do, really is float and normalize the concept of baking tokens into HR math in terms of a "golden ratio"... which happens to be 2:1. So, when a company goes all in on ai, and they cut thier workforce in half, they'll need to add in 50% for tokens. 50% of the original staff, at a new 150% cost, puts the company at 75% pre ai workforce cost. This is the "guidelines" they're trying to normalize. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 15 points 7 months ago (1 child) It's funny how his calculation factors in the completely immaterial price of tokens variable instead the material one which is the number of tokens or better yet the productivity gain per token. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago Huh, yeah. 50% cost in tokens could be 1 very expensive token or 1 million tokens. Who knows? permalink fedilink source parent [–] TwodogsFighting@lemdro.id 16 points 7 months ago (2 children) I think he's saying slaves should owe their soul to the company store. Don't give this sack of shite the benefit of doubt. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) he needs new jackets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago A straight white one permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 45 points 7 months ago (2 children) To refine that even further, he doesn't appear to imply that the dev isn't WORKING hard enough, only that they're not being OPTIMALLY PRODUCTIVE. What he's trying to do, really is float and normalize the concept of baking tokens into HR math in terms of a "golden ratio"... which happens to be 2:1. So, when a company goes all in on ai, and they cut thier workforce in half, they'll need to add in 50% for tokens. 50% of the original staff, at a new 150% cost, puts the company at 75% pre ai workforce cost. This is the "guidelines" they're trying to normalize. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 15 points 7 months ago (1 child) It's funny how his calculation factors in the completely immaterial price of tokens variable instead the material one which is the number of tokens or better yet the productivity gain per token. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago Huh, yeah. 50% cost in tokens could be 1 very expensive token or 1 million tokens. Who knows? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 15 points 7 months ago (1 child) It's funny how his calculation factors in the completely immaterial price of tokens variable instead the material one which is the number of tokens or better yet the productivity gain per token. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago Huh, yeah. 50% cost in tokens could be 1 very expensive token or 1 million tokens. Who knows? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago Huh, yeah. 50% cost in tokens could be 1 very expensive token or 1 million tokens. Who knows? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TwodogsFighting@lemdro.id 16 points 7 months ago (2 children) I think he's saying slaves should owe their soul to the company store. Don't give this sack of shite the benefit of doubt. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) he needs new jackets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago A straight white one permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) he needs new jackets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago A straight white one permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago A straight white one permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago With my trusty LLM, I follow the steps recommending that I try reaching inside the die press to look for any jammed parts that could have caused the machine to suddenly stop working. My coworker, who my boss sent to assist me based on instructions from her LLM, asks his LLM how to help me. My coworker's LLM recommends that he check if the emergency stop button has been pulled... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 9 points 7 months ago (2 children) Just a few days ago they were indeed talking about giving tokens as bonus. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 7 months ago Is company chit still illegal if it’s a bonus? permalink fedilink source parent [–] CuddlesMcBubblefun@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago That's one the most insanely stupid things I've ever heard. Tokens are a tool used to do your job, a business expense, not fucking compensation. Are the kWh that you use to light and air condition an office part of your compensation? How about toner and paper in the office printer? If those tokens are a bonus, they're yours, right? So you can burn half your annual salary worth of tokens translating Microsoft Encarta 95 into Klingon, and they will foot the bill? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 7 months ago Is company chit still illegal if it’s a bonus? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CuddlesMcBubblefun@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago That's one the most insanely stupid things I've ever heard. Tokens are a tool used to do your job, a business expense, not fucking compensation. Are the kWh that you use to light and air condition an office part of your compensation? How about toner and paper in the office printer? If those tokens are a bonus, they're yours, right? So you can burn half your annual salary worth of tokens translating Microsoft Encarta 95 into Klingon, and they will foot the bill? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 9 points 7 months ago They also really want to talk about tokens like they’re some kind of currency i think it is better than pizza fridays for them, because they probably can't barter pizza for free. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (1 child) The tokens as currency thing feels exactly like gaming microtransaction bullshit to me. Obscure the true cost of each purchase by selling in-game currency. Dark patterns lead to higher spending. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago It's proof of work cryptocurrency. But at least this time the compute is aiming at producing something useful, not the lowest hash value. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago It's proof of work cryptocurrency. But at least this time the compute is aiming at producing something useful, not the lowest hash value. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nightlily@leminal.space 6 points 7 months ago Sure I don’t get any retirement or healthcare benefits, but look at all the company scrip I get for the sloppy autocomplete that is stealing all my groundwater no matter how many times someone says „closed loop cooling“. permalink fedilink source parent