PugJesus comments on A little more control ceded to the fascists, and we'll have a REAL Revolutionary Crisis(tm) which we can use to Right This Country!

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

Still digging, not seeing your comments on Mamdani.

Simply searching 'Mamdani' by user 'PugJesus' comes up with:

In any case, a major congratulations and good luck to Zohran Mamdani, the democratic socialist who won the Dem Party primaries for NYC mayor!

I wouldn’t count on it. Party elites are notoriously resistant to any kind of positive change. The only way we can change the Dem Party is by forcing it to change - by ensuring progressive candidates like Mr. Mamdani continue to win going forward.

Hopefully, the strained democracy of the US will hold up long enough for that to matter.

Damn, my hopes for Mamdani just got even higher. Low turnout under ordinary circumstances give high-enthusiasm candidates an advantage, by that enthusiastic base’s relative size to the ordinarily voting electorate.

Fucking fascist ghouls. Good on Mamdani for not putting up with it, though it’s horrifying that this is already a fucking concern.

(someone else) If we fill them with Zohran Mamdanis, on the other hand…

Me:

But the way you run defense for Biden and Cuomo without actually committing to them? Doesn’t leave me hopeful that I can call you a “comrade” in any sense.

I 'ran defense' for Biden when he was the only fucking candidate with a realistic shot at beating the fascist. Sorry for not wanting more Palestinians to die, for not wanting Ukrainians to be murdered by genocidal Russian imperialists, for not wanting literal millions abroad to starve and waste from sickness for lack of US aid, for not wanting US LGBT folk and marginalized groups to be murdered en masse, and, selfishly, for not wanting to have my health insurance as a Filthy Poor(tm) with a chronic disease stripped so I die vomiting blood on my bathroom floor?

I've literally never ran defense for Cuomo, in any way shape or form.

There is hope for you yet. But I would love to hear you explain what soaking in a rightwing geography has pushed you to.

Cynicism. The idea that these people are ready to be our comrades with just the right phrasing is, unfortunately, insanity. The core issue is not misinformation, or the wrong policies - otherwise you would be right, there is hope. The core issue has been the development and cultivation of sickened values over the past 70 years that are directly contrary to functional politics.

Values are much harder to change than political allegiances, and political allegiances are already notoriously hard to change. Whatever the solution is to our problem, it doesn't include turning rural fascists into comrades any more than the Dem attempts to turn rural fascists into conservatives has worked.

permalink

fedilink

source

parent

hideshow 2 child comments

[–] ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Simply searching 'Mamdani' by user 'PugJesus' comes up with:

Thanks for the tutorial.

And yeah, I'm falling into an old pattern of arguing with people I agree with. Im actually arguing against a real Liberal I see elsewhere, but don't have the standing to argue against without social consequence.

Damn. My bad comrade.

Cynicism. The idea that these people are ready to be our comrades with just the right phrasing is, unfortunately, insanity. The core issue is not misinformation, or the wrong policies - otherwise you would be right, there is hope. The core issue has been the development and cultivation of sickened values over the past 70 years that are directly contrary to functional politics.

100% real. But a LOT of them have this double think about the older values too. The values they act on come from a cultivated fear that's been maintained so long its seeped into the whole ass person. This is the core of what Fascist Movements look like, unironically.

They need cult-deprogramming. Which means extracting them from their entire current cultural context, and replacing it. This is easiest with an online-only dudebro that'll probably end up a mass shooter if we don't. But a whole community? A whole Trump-worshipping church?

The "Republican Jesus" memes never escape Liberal circles. They need someone they can recognize as their own to call them out. I won't be happy until there's protests outside of Megachurches calling the Pastor a "Grifting Antichrist", telling the Parrish to Repent this Sin.

permalink

fedilink

source

parent

hideshow 1 child comment

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago*

Damn. My bad comrade.

No worries. It's the internet, no one knows I'm really a ~~dog~~ socialist. And I often argue on practical grounds, with what can be achieved in this immensely right-wing country, so I understand that I can come off as more 'liberal' than I am. But ultimately, my position is that action is only sustainable with popular support, so we need to do what we can now to minimize the damage of the immediate actions of government, and work to establish the conditions for popular support of actual leftist policy.

Doing just the former is putting off death another four years and accepting injustice - better than the alternative of embracing death and intensifying injustice, but obviously not good. Doing just the latter is self-defeating; like handing your enemies a hatchet to bury in your back. The least one could (and should) do is dull the blade's edge and put it on a high shelf before turning away to write your manifesto.

The “Republican Jesus” memes never escape Liberal circles. They need someone they can recognize as their own to call them out. I won’t be happy until there’s protests outside of Megachurches calling the Pastor a “Grifting Antichrist”, telling the Parrish to Repent this Sin.

As much as I'd love a modern Hussite movement, warts and all, I think the evangelicals have hit on a psychological profile that's too refined and modern to be simply dislodged.

Unfortunately, I think only time and decreasing religiosity in each passing generation will defeat them.

permalink

fedilink

source

parent