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  • [–] 64 points 7 months ago (19 children)

    All I'm saying is last time this tech trend came around, enough people who had a problem with it took drastic actions that directly affected the popularity of wearing a spycam on your face.

    Wouldn't surprise or upset me if history repeated itself.

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  • [–] 27 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    Its not. I wish we lived in a world where we could be trusted with things like this, but we dont.

    I really want a camera on my face and a HUD so I can live life more like a video game with screenshots, but we as a species have shown time and time again that we can't behave.

    Id rather nobody have one.

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  • [+] -26 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    Look, taking such glasses into a locker room is a problem. But someone wearing them in public is not. Anyone punching someone who does that should be taken to jail, simple as that.

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    What about if we jail the people who wear spycams in public first? Then there won't be any violence.

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  • [+] -15 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    And would you make an exception for journalistic purposes? Serious question.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    I’d say there are some valid use cases. Like sports? Biking, skiing, anywhere you might use a GoPro. This might work for sports where it is impractical to wear a GoPro. Also if they did this right, if it had a decent hud and zoom, this could be really helpful for the visually impaired or for other disabilities or medical conditions. That’s where these would be really helpful to society. But they never focus on that kind of shit. Instead it’s tech bros who want to sell this as a gimmick people can record themselves fucking, or stupid shit in the bar for their TikTok.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    lol are you just here to argue? You’re being heavily downvoted in this thread, and I think somewhat unfairly. I’m somewhat supporting your case. Where do you draw the line? I don’t know. Maybe as a starting point we could say anywhere you might wear a GoPro you could wear these? Idk, and that doesn’t cover the visually impaired case. But randomly punching people does seem a bit extreme. There’s plenty of technologies to secretly record people, if someone wants to do it, they can do it. But also there’s the question what all are these things sharing with meta, in some way to map out and track the physical world in their systems and databases.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I can help explain. People are threatening physical violence because they see surveillance as akin to violence. They know that you are not the only one with access to the camera, that corporations or police could see them through your camera. They know that corporations and police often abuse their power and harrass people who legally oppose them.

    These people feel they have no other options but violence because automatic surveillance is forced onto societies regardless of the people's vote. They believe violence is bad, but surveillance is worse, and since surveillance can lead to violence by the state, people would rather be violence towards surveillance tech now before they are threatened for whatever the government decides is illegal that day.

    I agree with you that violence is often not the answer, and that discourse and voting is the right way. Where we might disagree is how well discourse and voting works when both are manipulated for selfish gain. Violence is a last resort, never a first, and it's important to understand why people choose violence because it shapes society so drastically.

    I wouldn't punch a person wearing smart glasses, but I support both other people breaking their property and pushing to make that property illegal. Laws serve society, not the other way around.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    I just saw a US Department of Justice report that 1 in 3 women are stalked in their lifetime. People with immigration issues are getting disappeared to concentration camps. US prisons are notoriously inhumane and people on parole can get violated for trivial reasons. The failure to understand that there are people who will feel seriously threatened by getting recorded without consent is just frustratingly ignorant.

    Yeah, there are a million security cameras everywhere but at least it is mostly just ignored and not an issue until law enforcement is actively looking for you (IDK what kind of Palantir evil is happening on the back end but that’s a whole nother issue). Social media is super random and chaotic. Why take the risk that your life will get blown up because you happened by a viral moment?

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    How is it illogical if it worked? It might be immoral, but there's a clear through-line of cause and effect.

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  • [–] 48 points 7 months ago (17 children)

    doing legal stuff in public

    Just because its legal doesn't mean its right

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  • [+] -22 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    See, what’s “right” is a (shared) opinion. One of the consequences of living in a free country is that other people can have their own opinions.

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  • [+] 1 point 7 months ago (5 children)
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  • [+] -23 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    If you think something is wrong then, unless that risk places you at actual risk of harm, you can have that conversation - in public forums, at the ballot box, with your political representatives. If, rather, you want to dictate what you think is right on everyone, with threat of violence then that is something else.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    If you wear this, you're an agent of the gestapo.

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  • [+] -6 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    The Gestapo, known for using violence to suppress the activities of those they don't like without allowing the public to come to a democratic decision on the matter? Interesting.

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  • [–] -5 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I agreed with you up to this statement, no Karen, getting filmed in public is not violence, even if it's concealed, Jesus Christ

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    Consent scales, the one thing we all owe each other is basic human decency and a right to live our lives unimpeded as long as you’re not harming anyone. Filming/eavesdropping/invading boundaries and making people uncomfortable in a space let alone their own skin is grossly invasive

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    It absolutely is! But you know what it's not? Violence. As soon as you start being hyperbolic you lose nearly all credibility because now I think "right this person is being dramatic"

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    How can someone be dramatic about consent?

    I’m not saying jump to violence immediately. We can start with rehabilition like Nordic countries, something as extreme as exile or yes violence.

    I try not to assume anyone’s country of origin/habitat but with America we’re seeing first hand when the only accountability is a slap on the wrist, a finger wag and shame on you fine.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    Because by using hyperboly you've stretched the truth of that narrative you're trying to convince people of. my head, that immediately makes you seem untrustworthy, and I'm likely to start writing off your concerns as dramatics. It's all about credibility, at least with me and I assume with others as well, claiming violence for being filmed is like claiming assault because someone leered at you, it's over the top and I will this treat it as ridiculous

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  • [+] -20 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    Filming in public is not a form of violence in and of itself. Have you ever noticed that the public is called "public", which is the opposite of "private"?

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago* (8 children)

    sharing that information with facebook is the violence. i don't care if you take a photo and print it out to have it in a photo album. i care when i am in a big tech database, or even worse, an intelligence agency database. not that the two are very separate.

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  • [+] -16 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    That's a twisted view on the definition of violence.. Anyhow, how would you distinguish between people filming for journalistic purposes, people filming and sending it to Meta, and people filming for other reasons? How would you decide who deserves your violence?

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    if i feel uncomfortable being filmed i will make myself heard, first nonviolently, then maybe with a bit of physical pressure. if I don't even get to know when i am being filmed that's intensely devious.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    people shouldn't make others uncomfortable.

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  • [+] -11 points 7 months ago (2 children)
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    Yes…………

    Notice the ‘should’ in there?

    That word implys that he is talking about a moral prerogative and not a judicial matter…

    Which of course means its unenforceable. You're missing the point entirely if you think that even needs to be brought up.

    Him: “People Ought to // ought not to do this behaviour”

    Your: “Cant Force them hahahaha pwned 😎"

    Maybe just take a second to think about the implications of what you're reading instead of embarrassing yourself like this going autocomplete mode and writing irrelevant ass comments

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Seems pretty enforcable to me. Hell, they were even able to compel the U.S. Olympic committee to pay out hundreds of millions when their lead team doctor sexually harassed so many athletes that he'll be in prison for the rest of his life.

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