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Dumb glasses (lemmy.world)
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[+] -44 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (57 children)

This is so stupid. In public, in most countries you have no right not to be filmed. And you certainly can’t destroy someone else’s device.

I know this post is a joke. But whoever actually has a problem with being filmed in public should stay home.

Edit: four people have threatened physical violence against me in reaction to my opinion. Lemmy has a sick culture.

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  • [–] 50 points 7 months ago (15 children)

    If you’re holding a camera all good I can see you’re definitely trying to record me. If you’re trying to be slick and record me with your secret little spy glasses I literally couldn’t care less about what’s legal or not.

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  • [+] -26 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Plus, the law doesn’t concern your feelings. It doesn’t matter if you like something or not, if it’s legal, it’s legal.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago

    That's why people are trying to change the law to make these glasses illegal. They are willing to risk the consequences until that point.

    You only care about the law protecting you, and are taking advantage of the law not yet protecting others. If you abuse the law, others see no issue with breaking the law to stop you.

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  • [+] -28 points 7 months ago (11 children)

    There are cameras everywhere anyways. Don’t act a way you want on film if you’re outside your home, otherwise there’s a chance it’s being recorded and there’s nothing you can do about it 🤷

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Might not be anything I can do about you recording me but I can act in a way that will make you think twice about recording the next person

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Well if you set up a camera, it's probably not the smart glasses, and thus not problematic. Someone could break your glasses, and even if they fail, they could chase you away, so you couldn't record what you wanted to, and others would know to avoid you.

    Like it or not, legal or not, people would attempt to stop you, and this whole thread is people explaining exactly why they'd do that.

    You act as if this is the first social issue you've discussed with a group, and that's ok, but remember that you entered into a discussion in progress, and it's up to you to catch up with the discourse.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    You think so? You think you have a right to install your camera on public property?

    There are usually peeping tom laws that prevent this kind of thing, and it's certainly cause for a civil harassment case if the person you're spying on knows about it.

    The real question is: why do you want the ability to film someone's house like that unless you're a creeper?

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    I don't know where you live, but all kinds of filming in public is not in fact legal (and either way it shouldn't be): https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/japan-ban-upskirting-sex-crime-reforms-peeping-tom-voyeurism-laws-12537902.html

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Up-skirt filming is a good example of an easy line to draw. No filming at public beaches, gyms, pools, changing rooms are also hypothetically easy lines to draw. This isn't really that complicated.

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  • [+] -8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    And what if a whale washes up on the shore? Can the local news agency film that?

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    lol yes, there won't be any half naked people next to the smelly dying whale. Stop trolling

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    If you're actually puzzled, then you're a moron. The vast majority of people clearly strongly dislike these things and you're everywhere in this thread defending them. Are you being paid for your services or do you just love the surveillance state that much?

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  • [+] -16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I love my freedoms. And I understand that in order to have your own freedoms, you have to respect other people having theirs. You all seem to think more in line with “freedom for me, but not for thee”. And so far, no one has produced any arguments outside of something based on their feelings.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    All laws are, in some way, based on feelings that are explainable. We feel murder is bad, so we write laws against it. In places where murder is in some way legal, people fight murderers because they feel they must

    We feel surveillance is bad, and we are explaining why we feel that way and why those feelings are valid. We are taking away from you what you see as a right, but we see as a privilege.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Just because you don't have a legal right not to be filmed without your consent doesn't mean that you don't have a moral right not to be filmed without your consent

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    By "doesn't exist" you mean that you don't recognize them, rights only exist because people say so. Recognizing moral rights as more important than legal rights is a popular social value, and happens all around you everyday. It's not something you can halt or debate, you have to find a way to accept how people are.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Something being legal doesn't make it good.

    People want to be able to go out into the world without being filmed. That was the case for thousands of years. It is not unreasonable to expect limits on recording in public.

    Now one of the worst organizations on earth (meta) wants to record everyone and everything for their private benefit. People are mad.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Please start live streaming your actions in public for us all to watch. You don't have any abusive exes or family members, I hope. Also I trust you've never said anything to irritate right wing fanatics. Maybe if it's a little more personal, you'd have a little more empathy.

    Also, of note, not all limits are from the law. Peer pressure and private businesses saying "You can't do that in here" are also tools.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago*

    In Brazil, and I suppose most EU countries, every individual has the rights to their own image, as in, I cannot take a picture of you, or one that clearly identifies you, without your consent. If I use it for commercial purposes, I may also need to reach an agreement of some sort with you. Save a few exceptions, such as people walking on the background of a live reporter, a person has rights to ask for their likeness to be removed or blurred.

    Most people aren't aware of their rights, tho

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    If the camera is hidden, how can you prevent unauthorized filming? Restroom, changing rooms, even schools or children playgrounds, beaches?

    Sure, a beach is public, so that authorizes me to film your wife’s butt or your kid? That’s not how it works.

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  • [+] -8 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Preventing unauthorised filming in private has been a problem for a long time now, that existed before Meta Ray-Ben did.

    If you’re on a public beach, I can film your wife’s butt and your kid and choose to do so either secretly or visibly. All at my sole discretion. I know that this comment will be downvoted to oblivion because people don’t like this fact, but it’s a fact nonetheless.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    It's also a fact that people can stop you, illegal or not, whether you like it or not. You also act as though a visible, private camera the same as a slealth camera that uploads to a cloud. They are different, and so people will feel different about them.

    You seem more focused on trying to get away with stealth recording than if it's correct to do so, especially when someone argues about the ethics.

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  • [+] -9 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    Did you know that on the public beach, I can look at your wife's butt, or your kids, with my very own eyes? Why does recording it cause you any greater harm than looking with my eyes?

    Is it because it involves technology? Is it because it implies I'm too interested in what I see, so it makes you feel uncomfortable?

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Yes because it involves technology, no not because it implies interest. It's wrong because technology lets you share what you see with others. People trust you to see butts on a beach because they know who exactly can see the butts, andcan personally deal with creeps. I wouldn't go to a beach where my butt could end up online without my being abletostop it (and I mean a focused shot, not a general beach picture).

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  • [–] -5 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    The only thing you've said is wrong is the sharing of pictures/video.

    So, the problem is not the glasses, it's not taking video with them, it's sharing that video with others. So maybe chill out about the stuff that isn't the actual problem.

    (Not that the act of sharing is actually going to harm the subject of the video, anyway)

    Some countries have the legal principle of "right to one's own image", and maybe you want that. But everyone here advocating violence seem to have forgotten how to do democracy.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    If you use a Meta smartglass, the "sharing" is out of your control.

    It's actually going to be interesting when a smartglass wearer has to explain a judge they didn't know it was recording and uploading pictures or videos.

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  • [–] -4 points 7 months ago

    Explaining to the judge in what court case? When some of the keyboard warriors here are in the dock for assault? Or for some imagined crime of "recording a video of me"?

    I actually don't think Meta breaks gdpr that badly, and I know for a fact they don't upload video all the time, because it's not physically possible.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    But everyone here advocating violence seem to have forgotten how to do democracy.

    A lot of changes in democracies happen following violent events. Violence is unfortunately one of the very few effective method to raise attention on an issue.

    The law hardly change spontaneously.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    If you believe that the ends always justify the means you have no argument against political violence used against you except that the ends are wrong... so we're back to square one, and fighting in the street over every political disagreement. Congrats.

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  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    What an interesting opinion you have, that as long as you break no laws, everyone who doesn't like your behaviour should be intimidated into not leaving the house for work, medicine, or food.

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Well I think you should have more opinions on right and wrong than just what the law tells you to think.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Right like my opinion is that we should socially discourage antisocial creepy behavior such as recording others without their consent, in public or otherwise.

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