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When people recommend Brave browser. (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
submitted 7 months ago by to c/mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
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[–] 8 points 7 months ago (12 children)

I'm surprised to read the whole thread and nobody mentioned that TorBrowser is the goat for daily anonymous browsing.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    That you're even suggesting this tells me that you don't use tor regularly. Many clearnet sites dont want to be accessed through tor and will just block you. If you encounter any recaptchas thats basically a dead end. The time from opening the browser to having a fully loaded site is minutes.

    If you don't plan on doing serious crimes and your not an opposition leader in a totalitarian state, tor is not a good default browser.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I missed that part

    The time from opening the browser to having a fully loaded site is minutes.

    I think it depends on the region. To me, full browser restart with reconnect is maybe 10 seconds tops, usually less. I use Tor Browser as a default one on my phone, and it opens random links quite okay.

    For me, the main issue is exit node blocking, then I need to restart the browser 1-2 times.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    You are correct that Tor is not as convenient. I use Tor Regularly but I use another browsers if I need to login. Sometimes I have to restart Tor Browser because of blocks.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

    I thought people gave up on Tor years ago when it was revealed that it wasnt as anonymous as people expected due to the number of entry and exit nodes controlled by governments and spy agencies.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    The NSA wasn't able to break Tor fundamentally, even with spanning numerous exit nodes to intercept traffic, and high-scale traffic correlation between enter and exit nodes

    "We will never be able to de-anonymize all Tor users all the time." It continues: "With manual analysis we can de-anonymize a very small fraction of Tor users," and says the agency has had "no success de-anonymizing a user in response" to a specific request.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/04/nsa-gchq-attack-tor-network-encryption

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Do we trust a 12 year old article sourced from the government to be honest about current/past capabilities? Genuinely asking.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    who and what is your threat model? as @macros@feddit.org pointed out this article was probably rather accurate.

    if you just want to browse anonymously - it is likely, that even the biggest tech corpos can't de-anonymise you.

    if you do small time crime, like buying and selling contraband - likely law enforcement would try to catch you in the real world. you have more vertices and vulnerabilities there, different enforcement agencies are experienced exploiting these.

    if you paint a big ass target on your back and get the interest of the CIA or similar - you are probably fucked one way or the other. they may have the ability to de-anonymise you. but if you listen to people that did get caught or do the catching (e.g: darknet diaries), most of the times it is a small mistake. if you only ever play defence, that is enough to loose the game. but what are your options if your adversary is a national agency?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    This question is unironically very deep. As it's privacy we're talking, you decide what to trust on your own.

    My understanding is that Tor provides anonymity for my threat model (ad-tech corporations).

    But trust need to be placed somewhere. Do we trust Mozilla? All their emploees? Do we trust OSS? Does anybody actually review open-source code? What about supply chain attacks?

    I am, a nobody, was personally invited to a Contagious Interview (a person, pretending to be a client for consulting was trying to place a rootkit on my machine via GitHub repo).

    What about AI-assistet coding that actively tries to eliminate security gates?

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