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[–] -1 points 8 months ago* (25 children)

I don't think the cops they were following were decked out in full on military gear, wanting to execute people at the drop of a whim, and had a quota to get paid that they needed to meet.

This is suicide what you're recommending.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Is it?

    It's a bunch of of psychopath near kids with near zero training who were given a gun. They're also the types that care about themselves and nothing else. Black Panthers were there to protect the community, they are here for themselves, nothing more. If bullets ever start flying, half of them will already run. The other half won't know how to do anything effectively.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Have you seen this happen or would it go more like Alex Pretti and they execute everyone?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Alex Pretti was alone and didn't use his gun (whisely). if you have a lot of people with big guns at the ready, it is quite a deterrent. if those people do get attacked, the guns can do a lot of damage to the attacker. especially, if the people trained as a group.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Suicide for one or two people but not for a decent-sized group.

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Why would numbers make a difference? I mean it, explain to me how this would go.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    While you're correct that the militarization of police (without any accompanying increase in discipline or oversight) has made this much dicier today, the basic lesson holds.

    Power must be watched and challenged, with credible power backing the challenge, or it will never follow even its own rules.

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  • [–] -4 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Send me a video of you doing this, I'll cheer you on.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    Hey, I'm not disagreeing that it's a high-risk endeavor. Alex Pretti showed that even a camera is cause for fascist thugs to murder you in broad daylight these days. But nothing will change by passivity.

    Nor am I condemning people for not doing this. I'm just stating, in agreement with the meme, that action does have effects, even without ever actually pulling a trigger.

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago

    that action does have effects

    It certainly does, and Alex Pretti proves that they will execute you even after they took your gun.

    I'm not even a pacifist, and do what you feel you need to do. Just don't try and get others to do it,

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    show the internet your face identifying yourself and then and only then will i support you

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    I don't believe you that you have or will do anything. I believe that you're just trying to get chaos going in the US and get others to sacrifice themselves. I have no idea why, but I can guess that you're one of two types of people.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    People are going to die, man. That's not going to change if people decide to be passive. That just means people are going to die slightly quieter, like in an ICE holding cell. Shit, if ICE ever posts a significant presence in my fucked little corner of America, I will have to legitimately fear for my fucking life being intentionally ended when attending protests, which is not something I ever thought I'd have to say as a non-Black person (a privilege in this still deeply racist country, I know) in the USA.

    And will I continue attending anyway? Fuck, I can't say for certain. I don't have a spouse or kids that will be screwed if I'm gone. I have a few family and friends who will miss me, but ultimately, it's my life (or it's end) that's most affected, so I certainly hope and would like to say that I'd still have the stones to keep going.

    Of course, God knows my self-preservation instinct is worn to a nub at this point, but that's a different conversation.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

    "don't you dare try to challenge the state monopoly on violence or they'll use violence against you even harder!!" oh nooooo.

    Dunno if you've noticed, but they also execute people just for dropping their kids off at school or for helping other civilians they've assaulted. Personally it's my opinion that if they're going to kill you anyways, I'd rather die on my feet with a gun in my hand and the possibility of taking one or two of them with me. If you'd prefer being shot to death while already disarmed and muscled to the ground, don't let me stop you, but also please don't try convincing the rest of us that's the only "right" way to die.

    There is no way out of this but through, and going through it will almost certainly lead to more innocent people dying at the hands of fascists, regardless of what resistance they offer. In light of that? Any and all resistance is acceptable, including that which is, or has the potential for, violence. Or put another way, it's only suicide if you're not shooting back.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago* (4 children)

    Minnesota handled it extremely well. I don't think you can give me examples where the populace used guns and it worked. I can give you tons of examples where it worked to get people to safety and help their community in LA and Minnesota.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I don’t think you can give me examples where the populace used guns and it worked.

    saying this on a post directly referencing the black panthers doing exactly this -- using guns to resist an oppressive state -- is already very funny, but I suppose you also think the French resistance used, what, kind words to kill Nazis in WWII?

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  • [–] -3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    During the ICE occupation since trump took office, but you knew that. Times are little different than 60 years ago. I know you're trolling, last comment.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago*

    During the ICE occupation since trump took office, but you knew that.

    actually no, I can't read minds, but I'm flattered you think I can. For the future, you may want to try using your words instead of assuming people are psychic.

    Nobody at present has yet bothered to even try, save for this article on the "Black Lion Party for International Solidarity" in Philadelphia. When they actually come into confrontation with the fascists and return fire, I'll be sure to give you an update.

    I know you’re trolling, last comment.

    that's fine, I accept your concession. better luck next time

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