▲ 497 ▼ The Myth That Wind Farms Are a Guillotine for Birds Is Being Debunked by Hard Data (www.zmescience.com) submitted 8 months ago by vitskapsdama@slrpnk.net to c/energy@slrpnk.net 63 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 112 points 8 months ago (14 children) It was never a myth. It was a lie. permalink fedilink source hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago (2 children) Reading the article. Wind turbines do kill birds, but it's worse in certain areas, at certain times of year, and even certain times of day. We can plan around these known quantities. Also, guy wires and power lines can kill birds. Not quite as often, but sometimes a bird will hit the wire rather than land on it. But the main killer of birds by far is furry and has cute little claws. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) And windows. Kills loads of birds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Slashme@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago Yet another reason to switch to Linux. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago (8 children) Anyone can drive out to a windfarm and look for dead birds, there never were any. Also, wind turbines are geared to spin slowly, it's not like a room fan, they only turn at 10-20 rpm. Anyone can also visit a glass office building and ask caretakers how many birds a day they clean up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] jmill@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 months ago* (1 child) I'm not saying wind turbines kill a lot if birds, but that 20 RPM can translate to blade tip speeds well over 100MPH because of how long they are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca -2 points 8 months ago And yet, no dead birds. If every wants to save birds, remove the windows from your house. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago I work for a renewable energy company. We regularly find dead birds at our wind sites, including occasionally protected species like eagles (killing bats is also a concern). There are steps you can take to mitigate the threat. We have dumped a ton of money into a really cool technology that scans the skies constantly with super high res cameras and automatically stops turbines in the vicinity of protected species. Overall, renewable energy is still much better for wildlife than burning fossil fuels. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (3 children) Our house is older and is fairly light on windows, but the living room and kitchen both have a fairly sizeable one. I usually have to pick up 3-4 dead birds under them each year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 4 points 8 months ago (2 children) Put a sticker on them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] calliope@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago* The stickers don’t actually work super well unless you cover your windows with them. According to the Audubon society: Window decals may help, but they must be placed no more than 2-4 inches apart in order to be effective. Birds will try to fly through larger gaps. This means that on large windows, many closely spaced decals may be necessary to deter bird collisions. 4 inches is about 10cm There are more tips in the article but stickers don’t help nearly as much as people want them to. There are companies that are experimenting with whole window films, but when I looked a bit ago they didn’t seem to be widely available to consumers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 8 months ago Doesn't work. Just makes people feel better. permalink fedilink source parent [–] luciole@beehaw.org 5 points 8 months ago You should read the article fr. It says that wind turbines can and do kill birds, but that they are now designed and placed judiciously to reduce death toll. And that there are much greater threats, namely climate change which wind turbines helps with. permalink fedilink source parent [+] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago (1 child) Your heart is in the right place, but maybe avoid that hard R in the future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 1 point 8 months ago Maybe! permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago (2 children) Reading the article. Wind turbines do kill birds, but it's worse in certain areas, at certain times of year, and even certain times of day. We can plan around these known quantities. Also, guy wires and power lines can kill birds. Not quite as often, but sometimes a bird will hit the wire rather than land on it. But the main killer of birds by far is furry and has cute little claws. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) And windows. Kills loads of birds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Slashme@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago Yet another reason to switch to Linux. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) And windows. Kills loads of birds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Slashme@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago Yet another reason to switch to Linux. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Slashme@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago Yet another reason to switch to Linux. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago (8 children) Anyone can drive out to a windfarm and look for dead birds, there never were any. Also, wind turbines are geared to spin slowly, it's not like a room fan, they only turn at 10-20 rpm. Anyone can also visit a glass office building and ask caretakers how many birds a day they clean up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] jmill@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 months ago* (1 child) I'm not saying wind turbines kill a lot if birds, but that 20 RPM can translate to blade tip speeds well over 100MPH because of how long they are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca -2 points 8 months ago And yet, no dead birds. If every wants to save birds, remove the windows from your house. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago I work for a renewable energy company. We regularly find dead birds at our wind sites, including occasionally protected species like eagles (killing bats is also a concern). There are steps you can take to mitigate the threat. We have dumped a ton of money into a really cool technology that scans the skies constantly with super high res cameras and automatically stops turbines in the vicinity of protected species. Overall, renewable energy is still much better for wildlife than burning fossil fuels. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (3 children) Our house is older and is fairly light on windows, but the living room and kitchen both have a fairly sizeable one. I usually have to pick up 3-4 dead birds under them each year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 4 points 8 months ago (2 children) Put a sticker on them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] calliope@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago* The stickers don’t actually work super well unless you cover your windows with them. According to the Audubon society: Window decals may help, but they must be placed no more than 2-4 inches apart in order to be effective. Birds will try to fly through larger gaps. This means that on large windows, many closely spaced decals may be necessary to deter bird collisions. 4 inches is about 10cm There are more tips in the article but stickers don’t help nearly as much as people want them to. There are companies that are experimenting with whole window films, but when I looked a bit ago they didn’t seem to be widely available to consumers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 8 months ago Doesn't work. Just makes people feel better. permalink fedilink source parent [–] luciole@beehaw.org 5 points 8 months ago You should read the article fr. It says that wind turbines can and do kill birds, but that they are now designed and placed judiciously to reduce death toll. And that there are much greater threats, namely climate change which wind turbines helps with. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jmill@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 months ago* (1 child) I'm not saying wind turbines kill a lot if birds, but that 20 RPM can translate to blade tip speeds well over 100MPH because of how long they are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca -2 points 8 months ago And yet, no dead birds. If every wants to save birds, remove the windows from your house. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca -2 points 8 months ago And yet, no dead birds. If every wants to save birds, remove the windows from your house. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago I work for a renewable energy company. We regularly find dead birds at our wind sites, including occasionally protected species like eagles (killing bats is also a concern). There are steps you can take to mitigate the threat. We have dumped a ton of money into a really cool technology that scans the skies constantly with super high res cameras and automatically stops turbines in the vicinity of protected species. Overall, renewable energy is still much better for wildlife than burning fossil fuels. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (3 children) Our house is older and is fairly light on windows, but the living room and kitchen both have a fairly sizeable one. I usually have to pick up 3-4 dead birds under them each year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 4 points 8 months ago (2 children) Put a sticker on them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] calliope@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago* The stickers don’t actually work super well unless you cover your windows with them. According to the Audubon society: Window decals may help, but they must be placed no more than 2-4 inches apart in order to be effective. Birds will try to fly through larger gaps. This means that on large windows, many closely spaced decals may be necessary to deter bird collisions. 4 inches is about 10cm There are more tips in the article but stickers don’t help nearly as much as people want them to. There are companies that are experimenting with whole window films, but when I looked a bit ago they didn’t seem to be widely available to consumers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 8 months ago Doesn't work. Just makes people feel better. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 4 points 8 months ago (2 children) Put a sticker on them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] calliope@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago* The stickers don’t actually work super well unless you cover your windows with them. According to the Audubon society: Window decals may help, but they must be placed no more than 2-4 inches apart in order to be effective. Birds will try to fly through larger gaps. This means that on large windows, many closely spaced decals may be necessary to deter bird collisions. 4 inches is about 10cm There are more tips in the article but stickers don’t help nearly as much as people want them to. There are companies that are experimenting with whole window films, but when I looked a bit ago they didn’t seem to be widely available to consumers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 8 months ago Doesn't work. Just makes people feel better. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] calliope@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago* The stickers don’t actually work super well unless you cover your windows with them. According to the Audubon society: Window decals may help, but they must be placed no more than 2-4 inches apart in order to be effective. Birds will try to fly through larger gaps. This means that on large windows, many closely spaced decals may be necessary to deter bird collisions. 4 inches is about 10cm There are more tips in the article but stickers don’t help nearly as much as people want them to. There are companies that are experimenting with whole window films, but when I looked a bit ago they didn’t seem to be widely available to consumers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 8 months ago Doesn't work. Just makes people feel better. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] luciole@beehaw.org 5 points 8 months ago You should read the article fr. It says that wind turbines can and do kill birds, but that they are now designed and placed judiciously to reduce death toll. And that there are much greater threats, namely climate change which wind turbines helps with. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago (1 child) Your heart is in the right place, but maybe avoid that hard R in the future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 1 point 8 months ago Maybe! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago (1 child) Your heart is in the right place, but maybe avoid that hard R in the future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 1 point 8 months ago Maybe! permalink fedilink source parent