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[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk -1 points 8 months ago (14 children)

the thing that absolutely does my head in, in this whole situation is that I find alle these leaders who are shooting at one another to be repulsive scum, but at the same time, if this is what it ends up taking to finally free the Iranians from their oppressors - even though their wellbeing is an afterthought in everybody's minds - then I think it will be worth it. Just seeing the videos of the Iranian people singing and dancing the streets and celebrating with their real flag is probably the first uplifting thing I have seen this year. Can't say for sure what will happen next. Propbably a lot of other fuckery, but right now, the Iranians have never been closer to their freedom and I so want that to happen for them.

The fact that it may happen as a result of a bunch of loser man babies being on a power trip is what makes it so emotionally chaotic for me.

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[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

but at the same time, if this is what it ends up taking to finally free the Iranians from their oppressors -

Unfortunately, I suspect Iraq will be the most positive likely outcome for Iran. In other words, a brutal tyrant is removed, but the resulting government utterly lacks efficacy and legitimacy and is so incompetent that those who didn't live through the tyrant's reign have nostalgia for it.

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[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Im not so sure. Their king is in exile in America and they want him back. From what I could understand, the wish among many Iranians is that he will come back, be the anchor while the waves settle and eventually the plan will be to transition into democracy. But this is not gonna happen tomorrow. This war will take some time and things will not be all smooth and easy, but personally, I have faith that this potentially could be the first step towards a better future for Iran. But it is so friggin dizzying because it’s so many different interests at play and different motivations and none of them are about Iran’s true sovereignty but mostly about power and money - as it always is. I just so hope that them getting their freedom back will be one outcome of all this mess. They have suffered immensely and they deserve peace.

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[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

Despite the Crown Prince's very vocal supporters, opinions on the monarchy are much more divided than they would have you believe, including in the diaspora, not just those still living in Iran.

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[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 3 points 8 months ago

Yeah, nothing is ever simple and easy like we might want it to be. I spoke with my boyfriend about it and he’s of the mindset that right now it’s better to just observe and see what happens. And hope for the best. I wish I could be that chill about it, honestly.

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[–] Deceptichum 2 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Real flag? You mean the monarchist piece of shit flag?

They may be happy to Khamenei gone.

But Iranians are not happy to see their families missing, to be left to the chaos of another American Middle East invasion destroying their country and causing decades of suffering and conflict.

This invasion is a travesty, the silver lining is not worth it.

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[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 1 point 8 months ago (5 children)

That's weird, because I have seen so many clips of Iranians celebrating. But I guess my eyes are deceiving me.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 8 months ago

Those are kids ex Pat Iranians from the Elite class who left Iran in 1980, stealing billions. They want Pahlavi back as Shah.

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[–] Deceptichum 1 point 8 months ago* (3 children)

Gee and whose interest is it in to show you only those clips?

Go talk to some Iranians and ask them how they feel about the Shah or ending up like their neighbours once the US loses interest and pulls out after destabilising everything.

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[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

Iranians seem pretty interested in having those clips shown. I have followed this conflict on/off for for some time and every Iranian whi gets to have a voice has said they want to be free from the regime.

It is definitely unfortunate that civilians have lost their lives during this invasion, but don't pretend like that wasn't already the case on the regular for the Iranian under the regime. It's actually been pretty prominent in the news recently that they more or less were committing a genocide on the people of Iran as a punishment for the uprising. Whatever lives are lost during this war will be nothing next to the numbers of murders the regime has committed against the people of Iran since the 70s.

And that is not me saying that the lives lost right now don't matter or that it's okay when Israel or the US do it. I'm just trying to remind you that these people have lived in fear and horror for 50+ years and they want it to stop.

And btw, are you really doing the "fake news" argument? Really? Just because you don't like the fact that the vast majority of Iranians are happy their oppressor is dead? They are happy. They are definitely also sad for innocent lives lost, but they are happy to finally have a chance to be free. Deal with it.

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[–] Deceptichum 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

Like I said, stop watching clips and start talking to people.

And no I'm not doing 'fake news', I'm doing 'the media machine exists to manipulate and spread state propaganda and always has. It's interests are not those of the people'.

Are you really doing the 'mouth piece for imperialism' shtick? Really?

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[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 1 point 8 months ago

It's not black and white. All I'm saying is that there definitely are Iranians who are celebrating the fall of their dictator and that they are hoping for a brighter future on the other end of this. That does not mean that the US and Israel are heroes nor that their goal is to save Iranians. All I'm saying is that many Iranians are happy their oppressor is dead. That is just as real as their sorrow for the innocent lives who will be lost in this war.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 8 months ago

You need to read more. Worldwide, ex-pat Iranians are pushing for the return of Pahlavi as Shah. This war will kill and maim and the US will install Pahlavi as their puppet. There will be no democracy, and poverty will increase as the Elite class returns to steal more billions from the country.

Read a little about why the Shah was kicked out in 1979.

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[–] belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org 0 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

Those videos of them Singing and dancing are ai. Little kids were murdered to do this

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[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 2 points 8 months ago

First of all: the school children losing their lives is at best a horrible accident and at worst a war crime that Netanyahu can add to the list of things he’ll have to answer for someday.

Second of all: no the videos of Iranians celebrating the death of their oppressor is not AI. That is real. Or are you going to also suggest that the live interviews of Iranians living in my country of Denmark being interviewed on the street while celebrating and yelling and waving their flag, is also AI? Was it AI back during the protests against the murder of Mahsa Amini when Iranians all over the world spoke openly about the oppressive regime and how it specifically targets women over and over and over? They spoke about being freed from their oppression back then too. They have been blocked by the regime, cut off from internet access and journalists have been arrested and murdered by the regime when they tried to report on what was happening in Iran.

You cannot pretend like the horrors of this regime isn’t real just because it throws a wrench into the world view you prefer. This situation is complex and multifaceted and the Iranian people’s suffering and subsequent hope and joy is real. If you can dismiss it with accusations of it being AI, then it tells me everything I need to know about how little of Iran’s recent history you know about. There have even been made acclaimed comics about it. Persepolis. Go read it. It’s great.

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