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[–] 62 points 1 year ago* (27 children)

Maybe, but it also means that you'll be alone for eternity and will never have true friends or camaraderie, and that by itself will consume you.

There is only so many people you can do that to before everyone else catches on and shuns you. All the evil people in the world don't have any friends and are subject to betrayals and threats in their lives constantly. To me, that's not a bearable existence. Sure, you got power, but you're miserable and afraid all the time. Was that really worth it?

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    you’ll be alone for eternity and will never have true friends or camaraderie, and that by itself will consume you.

    I AM a morally decent person who makes efforts to do the right thing. And that last part is STILL true!

    I just don't like most people.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    Most people are selfish and amoral. When people like that encounter a decent person, they will do what they can to silence them so they aren't given the chance to expose corruption.

    You probably don't like most people because most people are walking sacks of shit who would throw you under the bus if it means benefiting themselves

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    You'd be wrong. I'm sorry that you feel this way about humanity, but that is simply not true. And believing that won't make you a "smart" person. It makes you're no better than those people, and it also makes you feel worse.

    It might be satisfying in the moment to hate humanity, but that satisfaction is fleeting and addicting. Being a misanthrope just brings the worst version of yourself out.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Seems condescending to assume I think that belief makes me "smart". I'm speaking on my experience, that's the only experience I have. I don't appreciate you trying to make me out as some kind of angsty teen rebel.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Well, your experience isn't universal. Most people aren't like you described.

    Maybe you need a change of environment.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago

    Let me put it this way. If your family was 1 of 2 surviving families on earth for whatever reason and all the resources have run out. You're stuck in an underground bunker and unfortunately your only option for survival is cannibalism (this is a common thought exercise in philosophy) are you more willing to eat your family? Or the other?

    And what about towards the end, when it's just you and one other person. Do you override your survival instinct and offer yourself up, or do you start reasoning to yourself that this is a necessary evil?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I want the worst version of myself out. I recently made two shitty co-workers crap themselves.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Being bad towards shitty people is a different beast from being bad towards everyone because you assume the worst out of everyone.

    Righteous outrage is addicting, but it's also extremely fucking draining. I left reddit because I'd constantly rage bait myself every day and it was destroying my relationships.

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  • [–] [S] 19 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    There are plenty of corrupt people who are never caught, or even caught and let go with little to no consequences due to their influence and money. As much as I want to live in a world where karma exists and assholes get what they deserve, that is unfortunately not the reality we live in.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Just because we don't see it or it doesn't look like we think it should doesn't mean it's not real. Imagine being shallow and wanting to marry for how it looks on the outside. Imagine 20 -30 years later realizing you're stuck in a companionless relationship, but refusing to end it because it makes sense on paper to keep it intact.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I believe in consequences of your actions of course, but I don't believe there is some kind of cosmic scale balancing right and wrong. Maybe there is but that's quite an assumption to make. Lots of old rich men and women end up in that cycle of trading partners in like leased vehicles. Some people don't care so much for companionship as much as they care about vanity. Sad, yes, but who am I to dictate how some people find happiness.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Maybe they are happy. The people I've met living that way seem miserable. That's really all karma is, cause and effect. We either learn or don't. I really believe that the kingdoms of heaven (and hell) are inside us. That doesn't necessarily equate to physical reality, eg, every need met can still leave people miserable, people who seemingly struggle manage to find peace, if not happiness, others who match their physical reality, often we slide among points on the spectrum of being.

    I don't see it as perfectly balanced or absolute equilibrium. I see it as more of a spiral hourglass that flips like the magnetic poles. But that's a whole other discussion and I need to develop that concept, as I just surprised myself with it. That's a sleepy thought.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I do find that a lot of "bully" type people seem miserable, angry, combatative. That's likely what drives their lack of empathy though, they don't care about hurting others because they think in some roundabout way that if everyone is upset then it's fair. There are a lot of reasons why some people justify the way they live and a lot of them will never willingly change.

    Yes karma is cause and effect but a lot of times the effect won't happen without human intervention to force it into reality. I would describe that more as social structure or framework. Tomato potato

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Outside pressures are often the driving forces of evolution, and affect everything engaged in a particular process. Dawkins talked about this, iirc.

    Anyway, observing a thing changes it. There will always be latent effects. Maybe it's not about individual learning, but collective learning, with a nod to Dawkins.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It would be great to think one day society would reward good people more often but we are still crawling to that goal

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Maybe humans will become extinct and the process will continue without us.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What's your prediction for our successors? Aliens? AI bots? Apes? What if we are the aliens that succeded the previous race? That could explain why our sun is so damaging to us.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I have no idea. We know what the sociopaths are working on singularity. We don't know the species will survive long enough. Maybe a bug? Maybe an extraterrestrial life form.

    Eta: I recently read an article about nematodes organizing themselves into a superstructure. Idk they can survive rapid climate change or not.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yeah it really depends on what you consider success. For a lot of people, money & power isn't necessarily the marker for success, and finding meaning and joy in life is more important. And I know that sounds like capitalist "money doesn't buy you happiness" bs, but striving towards money and power consistently is the most capitalist thing you can do.

    I think people who are able to attain a good amount of money to survive and still maintain their morals and find joy, that's success.

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