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[–] 41 points 8 months ago (80 children)

To those who've down voted this,why if I may ask? Genuinely curious

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  • [+] 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (55 children)
  • [–] 36 points 8 months ago (25 children)

    But this is literally how western media and leaders are portraying this. All bombs are bad, NATO or Russia or China or Iran or Israel I don’t care. And fuck Israeli bombs in particular where and why would bombs by a colonial entity committing genocide ever be necessary wtf?

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (21 children)

    yes some NATO bombs are necessary but many are also bad, some Israeli bombs may have been necessary in the past but are now overwhelmingly bad.

    That’s what you said and that’s why I responded to.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (20 children)

    some pissrahelli bombs were necessary in the past

    there

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (19 children)

    Because it’s short-sighted and ridiculous. Yes Russia bombs are bad, yes some NATO bombs are necessary but many are also bad, some Israeli bombs may have been necessary in the past but are now overwhelmingly bad.

    https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/39233789/19405382

    Just making shit up are we?

    haha I missed the "overwhelmingly bad" implying that you think some of the bombs today are good blobfox, blobfoxangrylaugh

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (18 children)

    I highlighted it for you. There is you talking about "necessary pisrahelli bombs", I don't know what you're hoping for with this "nuh-uh" head in the sand thing, it's funny as fuck though.

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    By the fact that all you have is "no I didnt say some of Israel bombs were necessary" when you very clearly did lol. There isnt even an attempt at arguing, its just "nuh-uuuh" blobcat, laughing

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (15 children)

    Any bomb by pissrahell is a genocidal bomb lol, their raison d'etre is settlerism. There is no military action they undertook that wasn't either to grab more land or defend what they had already stolen. The fact that you think I didn't understand what you meant shows how self assured you are in your stupidity.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    So there never was a terrorist threat to Israeli citizens?

    Mask off moment. Never argue with a liberal, it's a complete waste of time

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Because they always argue in bad faith based on a surface level reading of headlines. It's always the same story. I see a "tankie" citing research, statistics, historical texts on one side, and on the other I see someone like you, floundering. It's embarrassing, and a waste of time, because you're not in this in good faith. You never really engage with the arguments. So what's the point?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    There is not a single good bomb thrown by Israel in history, just like Russia hasn't thrown a good bomb in the history of the Ukraine conflict. The reasoning is exactly the same. Israel, like Russia, is the aggressor, the occupier in this conflict, since its very inception. It's very clear from your comments that you don't read history, and it would serve you well to be less confident about the things you clearly don't really know about.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    You know what bombs do? They kill people, indiscriminately, especially when you throw them on desnsely populated civilian centers that you've driven 100s of thousands of refugees into. They don't defend against "terrorist" attacks on your occupied soil, they only serve to invite more. What are you going to tell me next, "muh human shields"? Fuck off.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    Lol Israeli and NATO bombs were necessary? Man, may God forgive you for your lack of humanity and overall ignorance.

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    But I did and you're just pushing Western imperialist propaganda, what's going on here? Israel is literally a Western colony that destabilises the rest of the region and is genociding the locals, the West has done nothing but terrorise the world for hundreds of years... Are you denying this or what?

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    I know you just learned this word and are very excited to use it but try to stay on topic.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (20 children)

    Russian bombs are bad not because of the flag, but because they consistently target civilians indiscriminately. Plus the whole invading a neighbor, murdering the people and stealing the land.

    Say what you want about Bush, even that war criminal didn't go as far.

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  • [–] 29 points 8 months ago* (5 children)

    Say what you want about Bush, even that war criminal didn't go as far.

    Genuinely not defending Russia here, but Dubya's pretext for invading Iraq and Afghanistan was if anything even flimsier than the "justification" for the Ukraine invasion, and that war killed way more people, civilians and not.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    The estimates I've seen are 300.000 killed in Iraq. There's more Russians killed alone than that, let alone Ukrainian military and civilian casualties...

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Ok, some in Yemen and Somalia too, but Wikipedia claims the cost of life of the gwot was 4.5 million, and I've seen credible estimates as high as 6.

    And I think in this situation we'd only really be comparing Ukrainian casualties to them.

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    Just 15172 civilians killed in Ukraine, according to UN, though. About 40k injured. That's the lower estimate, yes, but, in comparison, the USA has committed more than 100k confirmed civilians kills in just Iraq alone.

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    The US invasion of Iraq killed about 300k people. Russia's invasion of Ukraine has killed about 500k people.

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