▲ 603 ▼ Federated End-to-End Encrypted Messaging is Coming Soon (wedistribute.org) submitted 8 months ago by deadsuperhero@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.world 89 comments fedilink hide all child comments Important progress has been made regarding bringing MLS end-to-end encryption to the ActivityPub protocol, with developers already building implementations and providing feedback to a future version of the protocol spec.
[–] Steve@communick.news 86 points 8 months ago (43 children) I thought we already had Matrix permalink fedilink source hideshow 43 child comments replies: [–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 90 points 8 months ago (24 children) We do. This is for activitypub DMs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] Steve@communick.news 6 points 8 months ago (23 children) That's what I mean. The headline is a lie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 80 points 8 months ago (13 children) If I say tacos coming soon, it doesn't mean I invented tacos, just that there will be new tacos I guess permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] veeesix@lemmy.ca 47 points 8 months ago (2 children) I heard this is the line for tacos. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) Lines long as 2, and they only come three ways. Steak, cilantro, lime, cheese with your choice of sauce... Chicken chipotle mixed Mexican blend cheese, and cilantro lime, rice-cauliflower. Sides are open as a bar, self serve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago I want beans and rice, no meat! permalink fedilink source parent [–] whelk@retrolemmy.com 26 points 8 months ago I'll take one permalink fedilink source parent [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Then I charge you with naming you favorite genre at least. Barbacoa? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago That sounds delicious. I need more pitas in my life. Thoughts of shawarma always make me hungry. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Steve@communick.news 0 points 8 months ago (6 children) But we already have tacos. If you say "Tacos are coming soon". And we already have tacos. I'd say "What do you mean? Tacos are already here. Do we need more tacos?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 8 months ago (4 children) Do you just ask if we need more tacos? The answer is always yes... Where is your insatiable hunger? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] KurtVonnegut@mander.xyz 2 points 8 months ago Does Trump always chicken out though? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Steve@communick.news 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) Waiting for pizza permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Tacos become pizza toppings. Full size tacos, on top of your pizza. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago Now that's the insatiable appetite I know. No tacos, no sandwich, no cheese infested bread substances like pizza left behind. I will hate my stomach as it fattens, but so long will it reign. A Pad Thai cheeseburger might kill a man,but it only has one bad quality. Availability permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago If anyone ever asks "Do we need more tacos?" it becomes your responsibility to slap this individual. Because obviously yes. The answer is ALWAYS yes. Always more tacos. Always. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [+] ageedizzle@piefed.ca 15 points 8 months ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] knova@infosec.pub 7 points 8 months ago (4 children) You cannot, two totally different protocols permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) I mean, there's nothing technically stopping one app supporting both protocols natively, especially since Lemmy already includes a field for people's profiles to link their Matrix ID. Though to my knowledge none do it yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] knova@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Sure, in the same way there is nothing stopping Lemmy from using ATProto. The problem is all competing standards and what the developer chooses to use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 point 8 months ago Perhaps, but I'm describing something slightly different. Your description is basically "one platform supporting two protocols that basically do the same thing". I'm talking more about "one app that has two separate-but-related bits of functionality, each using the more appropriate protocol for that job". permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Steve@communick.news -3 points 8 months ago ActivityPub is only one of a number of federated protocols. One notably unsuited to instant messaging. permalink fedilink source parent [–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 5 points 8 months ago I, too, am often pissed at clickbaity, exaggerated, deliberately ambiguous headlines. The subtitle makes it clear though: this is about ActivityPub, which has grown into the #1 federation protocol I guess. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deadsuperhero@lemmy.world [S] 4 points 8 months ago It's not, the demo video actually shows that being one such use case. There's nothing stopping anyone from writing a chat service in ActivityPub. But this can also apply to statuses, media, all kinds of other stuff. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) And XMPP before it, even for e2ee messaging. At least this is a slightly different use case. permalink fedilink source parent [–] confuser@lemmy.zip 17 points 8 months ago (15 children) Matrix is decentralized but its not federating in a way like activity pub is doing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 13 points 8 months ago (4 children) How so? It's certainly very similar. The matrix protocol enables federation between different instances running different homeservers between users using different clients. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] confuser@lemmy.zip -5 points 8 months ago (3 children) But all those clients are matrix, not say some discord, some fluxer, some stoat, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 14 points 8 months ago All activitypub platforms are activity pub. Also, matrix is a protocol, not a client. There's tons of clients for matrix (element/element x being the main one). permalink fedilink source parent [–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 6 points 8 months ago Yes? "Matrix" is the protocol. The equivalent is ActivityPub, not discord, fluxer or stoat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) The Fediverse isn't federated. All those clients are ActivityPub, not say some Twitter, some Facebook, some Bluesky, etc. How is that different? permalink fedilink source parent [–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (4 children) What do you mean? And what benefit justifies yet another standard? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] VaalaVasaVarde@sopuli.xyz 8 points 8 months ago In this day and age we need as many open source e2e encrypted alternatives as possible. permalink fedilink source parent [–] confuser@lemmy.zip 0 points 8 months ago (2 children) Matrix does not connect natively to discord as an example, every user of a matrix protocol is still within matrix permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) Activitypub doesn't connect natively to my toaster. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 6 points 8 months ago Sounds like you need to upgrade your toaster, noob. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Steve@communick.news 29 points 8 months ago* (4 children) ActivityPub isn't the only way to federate. Matrix is federating the same way email does. Anyone can spin up their own server. And if they want anyone can spin up their own software. That's what federation is. Different servers agreeing on how to communicate with each other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago What??? I thought being part of Federation meant being part of the WORLD WRESTLING FEDERATION! OOOOH YEAH, SEE I'M ALWAYS THINKIN THINKIN THINKIN, YEAH. AND WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, WE DO THING IN THE RING! DIG IT! THE TOWER OF POWER TOO SWEET TO BE SOUR, FUNKY LIKE A MONKEY! OOOOOOH YEEEAAAHHHH!!!! Pomp and circumstance plays over the house speakers ELIZABETH!!! permalink fedilink source parent [–] confuser@lemmy.zip 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) No that's decentralization, federating is when you can share the info natively outside the platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steve@communick.news 9 points 8 months ago share the info natively outside the platform. I'm not even sure that makes sense. Federating is based on protocols not platforms. And what does it mean to share natively if not using the protocol? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] HailHydra@infosec.pub 9 points 8 months ago Matrix is a poor choice from a cryptographic perspective. With some serious issues historically (some of which are still unfixed to this day), and an extremely poor response to disclosures. https://soatok.blog/2026/02/17/cryptographic-issues-in-matrixs-rust-library-vodozemac/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 90 points 8 months ago (24 children) We do. This is for activitypub DMs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] Steve@communick.news 6 points 8 months ago (23 children) That's what I mean. The headline is a lie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 80 points 8 months ago (13 children) If I say tacos coming soon, it doesn't mean I invented tacos, just that there will be new tacos I guess permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] veeesix@lemmy.ca 47 points 8 months ago (2 children) I heard this is the line for tacos. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) Lines long as 2, and they only come three ways. Steak, cilantro, lime, cheese with your choice of sauce... Chicken chipotle mixed Mexican blend cheese, and cilantro lime, rice-cauliflower. Sides are open as a bar, self serve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago I want beans and rice, no meat! permalink fedilink source parent [–] whelk@retrolemmy.com 26 points 8 months ago I'll take one permalink fedilink source parent [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Then I charge you with naming you favorite genre at least. Barbacoa? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago That sounds delicious. I need more pitas in my life. Thoughts of shawarma always make me hungry. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Steve@communick.news 0 points 8 months ago (6 children) But we already have tacos. If you say "Tacos are coming soon". And we already have tacos. I'd say "What do you mean? Tacos are already here. Do we need more tacos?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 8 months ago (4 children) Do you just ask if we need more tacos? The answer is always yes... Where is your insatiable hunger? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] KurtVonnegut@mander.xyz 2 points 8 months ago Does Trump always chicken out though? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Steve@communick.news 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) Waiting for pizza permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Tacos become pizza toppings. Full size tacos, on top of your pizza. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago Now that's the insatiable appetite I know. No tacos, no sandwich, no cheese infested bread substances like pizza left behind. I will hate my stomach as it fattens, but so long will it reign. A Pad Thai cheeseburger might kill a man,but it only has one bad quality. Availability permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago If anyone ever asks "Do we need more tacos?" it becomes your responsibility to slap this individual. Because obviously yes. The answer is ALWAYS yes. Always more tacos. Always. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [+] ageedizzle@piefed.ca 15 points 8 months ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] knova@infosec.pub 7 points 8 months ago (4 children) You cannot, two totally different protocols permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) I mean, there's nothing technically stopping one app supporting both protocols natively, especially since Lemmy already includes a field for people's profiles to link their Matrix ID. Though to my knowledge none do it yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] knova@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Sure, in the same way there is nothing stopping Lemmy from using ATProto. The problem is all competing standards and what the developer chooses to use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 point 8 months ago Perhaps, but I'm describing something slightly different. Your description is basically "one platform supporting two protocols that basically do the same thing". I'm talking more about "one app that has two separate-but-related bits of functionality, each using the more appropriate protocol for that job". permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Steve@communick.news -3 points 8 months ago ActivityPub is only one of a number of federated protocols. One notably unsuited to instant messaging. permalink fedilink source parent [–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 5 points 8 months ago I, too, am often pissed at clickbaity, exaggerated, deliberately ambiguous headlines. The subtitle makes it clear though: this is about ActivityPub, which has grown into the #1 federation protocol I guess. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deadsuperhero@lemmy.world [S] 4 points 8 months ago It's not, the demo video actually shows that being one such use case. There's nothing stopping anyone from writing a chat service in ActivityPub. But this can also apply to statuses, media, all kinds of other stuff. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Steve@communick.news 6 points 8 months ago (23 children) That's what I mean. The headline is a lie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 80 points 8 months ago (13 children) If I say tacos coming soon, it doesn't mean I invented tacos, just that there will be new tacos I guess permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] veeesix@lemmy.ca 47 points 8 months ago (2 children) I heard this is the line for tacos. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) Lines long as 2, and they only come three ways. Steak, cilantro, lime, cheese with your choice of sauce... Chicken chipotle mixed Mexican blend cheese, and cilantro lime, rice-cauliflower. Sides are open as a bar, self serve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago I want beans and rice, no meat! permalink fedilink source parent [–] whelk@retrolemmy.com 26 points 8 months ago I'll take one permalink fedilink source parent [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Then I charge you with naming you favorite genre at least. Barbacoa? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago That sounds delicious. I need more pitas in my life. Thoughts of shawarma always make me hungry. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Steve@communick.news 0 points 8 months ago (6 children) But we already have tacos. If you say "Tacos are coming soon". And we already have tacos. I'd say "What do you mean? Tacos are already here. Do we need more tacos?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 8 months ago (4 children) Do you just ask if we need more tacos? The answer is always yes... Where is your insatiable hunger? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] KurtVonnegut@mander.xyz 2 points 8 months ago Does Trump always chicken out though? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Steve@communick.news 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) Waiting for pizza permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Tacos become pizza toppings. Full size tacos, on top of your pizza. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago Now that's the insatiable appetite I know. No tacos, no sandwich, no cheese infested bread substances like pizza left behind. I will hate my stomach as it fattens, but so long will it reign. A Pad Thai cheeseburger might kill a man,but it only has one bad quality. Availability permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago If anyone ever asks "Do we need more tacos?" it becomes your responsibility to slap this individual. Because obviously yes. The answer is ALWAYS yes. Always more tacos. Always. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [+] ageedizzle@piefed.ca 15 points 8 months ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] knova@infosec.pub 7 points 8 months ago (4 children) You cannot, two totally different protocols permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) I mean, there's nothing technically stopping one app supporting both protocols natively, especially since Lemmy already includes a field for people's profiles to link their Matrix ID. Though to my knowledge none do it yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] knova@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Sure, in the same way there is nothing stopping Lemmy from using ATProto. The problem is all competing standards and what the developer chooses to use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 point 8 months ago Perhaps, but I'm describing something slightly different. Your description is basically "one platform supporting two protocols that basically do the same thing". I'm talking more about "one app that has two separate-but-related bits of functionality, each using the more appropriate protocol for that job". permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Steve@communick.news -3 points 8 months ago ActivityPub is only one of a number of federated protocols. One notably unsuited to instant messaging. permalink fedilink source parent [–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 5 points 8 months ago I, too, am often pissed at clickbaity, exaggerated, deliberately ambiguous headlines. The subtitle makes it clear though: this is about ActivityPub, which has grown into the #1 federation protocol I guess. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deadsuperhero@lemmy.world [S] 4 points 8 months ago It's not, the demo video actually shows that being one such use case. There's nothing stopping anyone from writing a chat service in ActivityPub. But this can also apply to statuses, media, all kinds of other stuff. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 80 points 8 months ago (13 children) If I say tacos coming soon, it doesn't mean I invented tacos, just that there will be new tacos I guess permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] veeesix@lemmy.ca 47 points 8 months ago (2 children) I heard this is the line for tacos. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) Lines long as 2, and they only come three ways. Steak, cilantro, lime, cheese with your choice of sauce... Chicken chipotle mixed Mexican blend cheese, and cilantro lime, rice-cauliflower. Sides are open as a bar, self serve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago I want beans and rice, no meat! permalink fedilink source parent [–] whelk@retrolemmy.com 26 points 8 months ago I'll take one permalink fedilink source parent [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Then I charge you with naming you favorite genre at least. Barbacoa? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago That sounds delicious. I need more pitas in my life. Thoughts of shawarma always make me hungry. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Steve@communick.news 0 points 8 months ago (6 children) But we already have tacos. If you say "Tacos are coming soon". And we already have tacos. I'd say "What do you mean? Tacos are already here. Do we need more tacos?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 8 months ago (4 children) Do you just ask if we need more tacos? The answer is always yes... Where is your insatiable hunger? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] KurtVonnegut@mander.xyz 2 points 8 months ago Does Trump always chicken out though? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Steve@communick.news 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) Waiting for pizza permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Tacos become pizza toppings. Full size tacos, on top of your pizza. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago Now that's the insatiable appetite I know. No tacos, no sandwich, no cheese infested bread substances like pizza left behind. I will hate my stomach as it fattens, but so long will it reign. A Pad Thai cheeseburger might kill a man,but it only has one bad quality. Availability permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago If anyone ever asks "Do we need more tacos?" it becomes your responsibility to slap this individual. Because obviously yes. The answer is ALWAYS yes. Always more tacos. Always. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] veeesix@lemmy.ca 47 points 8 months ago (2 children) I heard this is the line for tacos. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) Lines long as 2, and they only come three ways. Steak, cilantro, lime, cheese with your choice of sauce... Chicken chipotle mixed Mexican blend cheese, and cilantro lime, rice-cauliflower. Sides are open as a bar, self serve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago I want beans and rice, no meat! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) Lines long as 2, and they only come three ways. Steak, cilantro, lime, cheese with your choice of sauce... Chicken chipotle mixed Mexican blend cheese, and cilantro lime, rice-cauliflower. Sides are open as a bar, self serve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago I want beans and rice, no meat! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago I want beans and rice, no meat! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Then I charge you with naming you favorite genre at least. Barbacoa? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago That sounds delicious. I need more pitas in my life. Thoughts of shawarma always make me hungry. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Then I charge you with naming you favorite genre at least. Barbacoa? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago That sounds delicious. I need more pitas in my life. Thoughts of shawarma always make me hungry. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago That sounds delicious. I need more pitas in my life. Thoughts of shawarma always make me hungry. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago That sounds delicious. I need more pitas in my life. Thoughts of shawarma always make me hungry. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Steve@communick.news 0 points 8 months ago (6 children) But we already have tacos. If you say "Tacos are coming soon". And we already have tacos. I'd say "What do you mean? Tacos are already here. Do we need more tacos?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 8 months ago (4 children) Do you just ask if we need more tacos? The answer is always yes... Where is your insatiable hunger? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] KurtVonnegut@mander.xyz 2 points 8 months ago Does Trump always chicken out though? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Steve@communick.news 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) Waiting for pizza permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Tacos become pizza toppings. Full size tacos, on top of your pizza. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago Now that's the insatiable appetite I know. No tacos, no sandwich, no cheese infested bread substances like pizza left behind. I will hate my stomach as it fattens, but so long will it reign. A Pad Thai cheeseburger might kill a man,but it only has one bad quality. Availability permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago If anyone ever asks "Do we need more tacos?" it becomes your responsibility to slap this individual. Because obviously yes. The answer is ALWAYS yes. Always more tacos. Always. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 8 months ago (4 children) Do you just ask if we need more tacos? The answer is always yes... Where is your insatiable hunger? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] KurtVonnegut@mander.xyz 2 points 8 months ago Does Trump always chicken out though? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Steve@communick.news 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) Waiting for pizza permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Tacos become pizza toppings. Full size tacos, on top of your pizza. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago Now that's the insatiable appetite I know. No tacos, no sandwich, no cheese infested bread substances like pizza left behind. I will hate my stomach as it fattens, but so long will it reign. A Pad Thai cheeseburger might kill a man,but it only has one bad quality. Availability permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KurtVonnegut@mander.xyz 2 points 8 months ago Does Trump always chicken out though? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Steve@communick.news 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) Waiting for pizza permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Tacos become pizza toppings. Full size tacos, on top of your pizza. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago Now that's the insatiable appetite I know. No tacos, no sandwich, no cheese infested bread substances like pizza left behind. I will hate my stomach as it fattens, but so long will it reign. A Pad Thai cheeseburger might kill a man,but it only has one bad quality. Availability permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Tacos become pizza toppings. Full size tacos, on top of your pizza. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago Now that's the insatiable appetite I know. No tacos, no sandwich, no cheese infested bread substances like pizza left behind. I will hate my stomach as it fattens, but so long will it reign. A Pad Thai cheeseburger might kill a man,but it only has one bad quality. Availability permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago Now that's the insatiable appetite I know. No tacos, no sandwich, no cheese infested bread substances like pizza left behind. I will hate my stomach as it fattens, but so long will it reign. A Pad Thai cheeseburger might kill a man,but it only has one bad quality. Availability permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago If anyone ever asks "Do we need more tacos?" it becomes your responsibility to slap this individual. Because obviously yes. The answer is ALWAYS yes. Always more tacos. Always. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ageedizzle@piefed.ca 15 points 8 months ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] knova@infosec.pub 7 points 8 months ago (4 children) You cannot, two totally different protocols permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) I mean, there's nothing technically stopping one app supporting both protocols natively, especially since Lemmy already includes a field for people's profiles to link their Matrix ID. Though to my knowledge none do it yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] knova@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Sure, in the same way there is nothing stopping Lemmy from using ATProto. The problem is all competing standards and what the developer chooses to use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 point 8 months ago Perhaps, but I'm describing something slightly different. Your description is basically "one platform supporting two protocols that basically do the same thing". I'm talking more about "one app that has two separate-but-related bits of functionality, each using the more appropriate protocol for that job". permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Steve@communick.news -3 points 8 months ago ActivityPub is only one of a number of federated protocols. One notably unsuited to instant messaging. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] knova@infosec.pub 7 points 8 months ago (4 children) You cannot, two totally different protocols permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) I mean, there's nothing technically stopping one app supporting both protocols natively, especially since Lemmy already includes a field for people's profiles to link their Matrix ID. Though to my knowledge none do it yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] knova@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Sure, in the same way there is nothing stopping Lemmy from using ATProto. The problem is all competing standards and what the developer chooses to use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 point 8 months ago Perhaps, but I'm describing something slightly different. Your description is basically "one platform supporting two protocols that basically do the same thing". I'm talking more about "one app that has two separate-but-related bits of functionality, each using the more appropriate protocol for that job". permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) I mean, there's nothing technically stopping one app supporting both protocols natively, especially since Lemmy already includes a field for people's profiles to link their Matrix ID. Though to my knowledge none do it yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] knova@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Sure, in the same way there is nothing stopping Lemmy from using ATProto. The problem is all competing standards and what the developer chooses to use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 point 8 months ago Perhaps, but I'm describing something slightly different. Your description is basically "one platform supporting two protocols that basically do the same thing". I'm talking more about "one app that has two separate-but-related bits of functionality, each using the more appropriate protocol for that job". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] knova@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Sure, in the same way there is nothing stopping Lemmy from using ATProto. The problem is all competing standards and what the developer chooses to use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 point 8 months ago Perhaps, but I'm describing something slightly different. Your description is basically "one platform supporting two protocols that basically do the same thing". I'm talking more about "one app that has two separate-but-related bits of functionality, each using the more appropriate protocol for that job". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 point 8 months ago Perhaps, but I'm describing something slightly different. Your description is basically "one platform supporting two protocols that basically do the same thing". I'm talking more about "one app that has two separate-but-related bits of functionality, each using the more appropriate protocol for that job". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Steve@communick.news -3 points 8 months ago ActivityPub is only one of a number of federated protocols. One notably unsuited to instant messaging. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 5 points 8 months ago I, too, am often pissed at clickbaity, exaggerated, deliberately ambiguous headlines. The subtitle makes it clear though: this is about ActivityPub, which has grown into the #1 federation protocol I guess. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deadsuperhero@lemmy.world [S] 4 points 8 months ago It's not, the demo video actually shows that being one such use case. There's nothing stopping anyone from writing a chat service in ActivityPub. But this can also apply to statuses, media, all kinds of other stuff. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) And XMPP before it, even for e2ee messaging. At least this is a slightly different use case. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] confuser@lemmy.zip 17 points 8 months ago (15 children) Matrix is decentralized but its not federating in a way like activity pub is doing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 13 points 8 months ago (4 children) How so? It's certainly very similar. The matrix protocol enables federation between different instances running different homeservers between users using different clients. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] confuser@lemmy.zip -5 points 8 months ago (3 children) But all those clients are matrix, not say some discord, some fluxer, some stoat, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 14 points 8 months ago All activitypub platforms are activity pub. Also, matrix is a protocol, not a client. There's tons of clients for matrix (element/element x being the main one). permalink fedilink source parent [–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 6 points 8 months ago Yes? "Matrix" is the protocol. The equivalent is ActivityPub, not discord, fluxer or stoat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) The Fediverse isn't federated. All those clients are ActivityPub, not say some Twitter, some Facebook, some Bluesky, etc. How is that different? permalink fedilink source parent [–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (4 children) What do you mean? And what benefit justifies yet another standard? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] VaalaVasaVarde@sopuli.xyz 8 points 8 months ago In this day and age we need as many open source e2e encrypted alternatives as possible. permalink fedilink source parent [–] confuser@lemmy.zip 0 points 8 months ago (2 children) Matrix does not connect natively to discord as an example, every user of a matrix protocol is still within matrix permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) Activitypub doesn't connect natively to my toaster. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 6 points 8 months ago Sounds like you need to upgrade your toaster, noob. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Steve@communick.news 29 points 8 months ago* (4 children) ActivityPub isn't the only way to federate. Matrix is federating the same way email does. Anyone can spin up their own server. And if they want anyone can spin up their own software. That's what federation is. Different servers agreeing on how to communicate with each other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago What??? I thought being part of Federation meant being part of the WORLD WRESTLING FEDERATION! OOOOH YEAH, SEE I'M ALWAYS THINKIN THINKIN THINKIN, YEAH. AND WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, WE DO THING IN THE RING! DIG IT! THE TOWER OF POWER TOO SWEET TO BE SOUR, FUNKY LIKE A MONKEY! OOOOOOH YEEEAAAHHHH!!!! Pomp and circumstance plays over the house speakers ELIZABETH!!! permalink fedilink source parent [–] confuser@lemmy.zip 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) No that's decentralization, federating is when you can share the info natively outside the platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steve@communick.news 9 points 8 months ago share the info natively outside the platform. I'm not even sure that makes sense. Federating is based on protocols not platforms. And what does it mean to share natively if not using the protocol? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 13 points 8 months ago (4 children) How so? It's certainly very similar. The matrix protocol enables federation between different instances running different homeservers between users using different clients. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] confuser@lemmy.zip -5 points 8 months ago (3 children) But all those clients are matrix, not say some discord, some fluxer, some stoat, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 14 points 8 months ago All activitypub platforms are activity pub. Also, matrix is a protocol, not a client. There's tons of clients for matrix (element/element x being the main one). permalink fedilink source parent [–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 6 points 8 months ago Yes? "Matrix" is the protocol. The equivalent is ActivityPub, not discord, fluxer or stoat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) The Fediverse isn't federated. All those clients are ActivityPub, not say some Twitter, some Facebook, some Bluesky, etc. How is that different? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] confuser@lemmy.zip -5 points 8 months ago (3 children) But all those clients are matrix, not say some discord, some fluxer, some stoat, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 14 points 8 months ago All activitypub platforms are activity pub. Also, matrix is a protocol, not a client. There's tons of clients for matrix (element/element x being the main one). permalink fedilink source parent [–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 6 points 8 months ago Yes? "Matrix" is the protocol. The equivalent is ActivityPub, not discord, fluxer or stoat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) The Fediverse isn't federated. All those clients are ActivityPub, not say some Twitter, some Facebook, some Bluesky, etc. How is that different? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 14 points 8 months ago All activitypub platforms are activity pub. Also, matrix is a protocol, not a client. There's tons of clients for matrix (element/element x being the main one). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 6 points 8 months ago Yes? "Matrix" is the protocol. The equivalent is ActivityPub, not discord, fluxer or stoat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) The Fediverse isn't federated. All those clients are ActivityPub, not say some Twitter, some Facebook, some Bluesky, etc. How is that different? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (4 children) What do you mean? And what benefit justifies yet another standard? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] VaalaVasaVarde@sopuli.xyz 8 points 8 months ago In this day and age we need as many open source e2e encrypted alternatives as possible. permalink fedilink source parent [–] confuser@lemmy.zip 0 points 8 months ago (2 children) Matrix does not connect natively to discord as an example, every user of a matrix protocol is still within matrix permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) Activitypub doesn't connect natively to my toaster. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 6 points 8 months ago Sounds like you need to upgrade your toaster, noob. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] VaalaVasaVarde@sopuli.xyz 8 points 8 months ago In this day and age we need as many open source e2e encrypted alternatives as possible. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] confuser@lemmy.zip 0 points 8 months ago (2 children) Matrix does not connect natively to discord as an example, every user of a matrix protocol is still within matrix permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) Activitypub doesn't connect natively to my toaster. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 6 points 8 months ago Sounds like you need to upgrade your toaster, noob. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) Activitypub doesn't connect natively to my toaster. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 6 points 8 months ago Sounds like you need to upgrade your toaster, noob. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 6 points 8 months ago Sounds like you need to upgrade your toaster, noob. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Steve@communick.news 29 points 8 months ago* (4 children) ActivityPub isn't the only way to federate. Matrix is federating the same way email does. Anyone can spin up their own server. And if they want anyone can spin up their own software. That's what federation is. Different servers agreeing on how to communicate with each other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago What??? I thought being part of Federation meant being part of the WORLD WRESTLING FEDERATION! OOOOH YEAH, SEE I'M ALWAYS THINKIN THINKIN THINKIN, YEAH. AND WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, WE DO THING IN THE RING! DIG IT! THE TOWER OF POWER TOO SWEET TO BE SOUR, FUNKY LIKE A MONKEY! OOOOOOH YEEEAAAHHHH!!!! Pomp and circumstance plays over the house speakers ELIZABETH!!! permalink fedilink source parent [–] confuser@lemmy.zip 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) No that's decentralization, federating is when you can share the info natively outside the platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steve@communick.news 9 points 8 months ago share the info natively outside the platform. I'm not even sure that makes sense. Federating is based on protocols not platforms. And what does it mean to share natively if not using the protocol? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago What??? I thought being part of Federation meant being part of the WORLD WRESTLING FEDERATION! OOOOH YEAH, SEE I'M ALWAYS THINKIN THINKIN THINKIN, YEAH. AND WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, WE DO THING IN THE RING! DIG IT! THE TOWER OF POWER TOO SWEET TO BE SOUR, FUNKY LIKE A MONKEY! OOOOOOH YEEEAAAHHHH!!!! Pomp and circumstance plays over the house speakers ELIZABETH!!! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] confuser@lemmy.zip 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) No that's decentralization, federating is when you can share the info natively outside the platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steve@communick.news 9 points 8 months ago share the info natively outside the platform. I'm not even sure that makes sense. Federating is based on protocols not platforms. And what does it mean to share natively if not using the protocol? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Steve@communick.news 9 points 8 months ago share the info natively outside the platform. I'm not even sure that makes sense. Federating is based on protocols not platforms. And what does it mean to share natively if not using the protocol? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HailHydra@infosec.pub 9 points 8 months ago Matrix is a poor choice from a cryptographic perspective. With some serious issues historically (some of which are still unfixed to this day), and an extremely poor response to disclosures. https://soatok.blog/2026/02/17/cryptographic-issues-in-matrixs-rust-library-vodozemac/ permalink fedilink source parent