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[–] 119 points 8 months ago (104 children)

The fuck are all these comments? AI is shit, fuck AI. It fuels billionaires, destroys the environment, kills critical thinking, confidently tells you to off yourself, praises Hitler, advocates for glue as a pizza topping. This tech is a war on artists and free thought and needs to be destroyed. Stop normalizing, stop using it.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (15 children)

    Any other technology? How about 3D TVs, smart glasses, blockchain, NFTs, the Metaverse?

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Figured I'd summon at least one person trying to defend crypto. Just because the US has issues doesn't suddenly mean crypto is good.

    Bitcoin has been around for almost two decades now, and still has not achieved anything beyond being a means for speculators to try and fleece each other. If it hasn't reached widespread mainstream adoption by now, it never will.

    Crypto is a failed technology, full stop.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I feel like you just autopiloted into random cryptobro talking points that have nothing to do with the conversation. I don't care if you like crypto, the reality is that rest of the world has already rejected it and moved on.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    No, I never mentioned a thing about gold. That's not what my argument was. Did you even read my post, or did you just see the word 'blockchain' and go to copypaste some prewritten talking point?

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    If the US dollar goes through hyperinflation and becomes worthless, people in the US won't switch to Bitcoin or other crypto as their main form of currency. We'll do exactly what citizens of every country that experiences such a currency crash does - start using other more stable currencies. You would see businesses start accepting a mix of Canadian dollar, Mexican pesos, Euros, and Yuan.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    I've contemplated this myself, about competing currencies, and how that would leave the world if we had cheap and ubiquitous FX with little to no drag. Would it not cause a race to the bottom for inflation targeting, and lead to something similar to everyone using a fixed currency?

    Why would I hold Canadian dollar or Pesos if their inflation target is 2% versus say the Swiss 1%? Is there enough new money supply for everyone to even attain the lowest inflation currency, or do they bid down the denomination as that countries FX value rises?

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Why would I hold Canadian dollar or Pesos if their inflation target is 2% versus say the Swiss 1%?
    No. No it wouldn't.

    Because ultimately you (assuming you're in the US), have to pay your taxes in USD. People say that fiat currencies aren't backed by anything, but that isn't true. They're backed by the fact that every single US citizen and resident has to gather up thousands of dollars every year and pay them to the government. Even if you could convince your employer to pay you in Euros, the IRS will still demand you pay whatever taxes you would owe if you were paid in an equivalent amount of dollars.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    If you think any of these are massively successful, I question what reality you are living in.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The metaverse had a billion dollars pumped into it, and yet for all they money they spent they have literally no users to show for it. Likewise for NFTs, a few idiots got suckered into paying for monkey JPGs and are now left holding a bag that no one wants.

    The blockchain has a small cult trading money back and forth to make it look bigger than it really is. But it's never achieved any kind of mainstream adoption as the currency true believers keep insisting it will be. And it never will, because it's way too inefficient to ever scale.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Sorry don't remember any of those other technologies using so much resources, raising prices for everyone else as they don't pay the actual cost. And being wrong about stuff.

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  • [–] 36 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    LLMs are shit, fuck LLMs. They fuel billionaires, destroy the environment, kill critical thinking, confidently tell you to off yourself, praise Hitler, advocate for glue as a pizza topping. This tech is a war on artists and free thought and needs to be destroyed. Stop normalizing, stop using it.

    And AI is a pipe dream no one is close to fulfilling, won’t be realized by feeding LLMs all of the data in existence, and billionaires are destroying our economy in their pursuit of it.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    You are referring to AGI not AI.

    The broad category of AI is most definitely real.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Could you define that category? Or give us an example of a programme that fits under it and one that doesn't?

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    AI contains LLMs and Machine learning and AGI.

    My main point is that you shouldn't throw out computerised protein folding and cancer detection with your hatred of LLMs.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    OK, and my point is that people are using the term "AI" so loosely as to be indistinguishable from "algorithm".

    We'll still have the statistical protein folding models after this bubble eventually pops, we're just not gonna call it "AI". It's a trendy marketing department word, and its usefulness as a description in Computer Science is rapidly diminishing.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    I would say it just got widespread use, I definitely heard of MS Word doing autofill as ‘AI’ at the time when deep learning was freshly invented thing. People tried to label a lot of things ‘AI’, with LLMs the label just stuck better

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    AI to a layman just means "LLMs and Generative AI that rich assholes keep trying to force me to use or consume the output of". i dont think its worthwhile to split semantic hairs over this. call the "good" stuff CNNs or machine learning if you really feel the need to draw a distinction.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Doesn't work that way unfortunately. Ask a person on the street what AI is and theyll tell you whatever flavor slop generator they're familiar with. You're not going to see much pushback on ML around the Fediverse.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I'm pretty anti AI as it is a tool of the billionaire class to enslave the masses. Look up TESCREAL, its the digital eugenics billionaires and fringe philosiphers believe in and it is the driving force in the AI push.

    That being said I can see a use for a focused, local LLM/AI assistant. I have to search a lot of confidential technical manuals, schematics and trust cases in my job. We are thinking about testing out Ollama to upload all our documents too to make searching them easier.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Even before our current time, "nobody cares" is not a thermostat reading of what "really matters". It almost sounds like you believe people know what's best for themselves, when the truth of the matter is that humanity has long proved otherwise.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    OK so why is AI so big right now because it isn't profitable. Even there most expensive tier is losing them money. Then you have the data centers getting breaks on electricity so the rest of us cost goes up to make the difference. Where is this magical profitability that is driving AI.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The use in radiology is not a good thing. Hospitals are cutting trained technicians and making the few they keep double check more images per day as a backup for AI. If they were just using it as an aide and the humans were still analyzing the same number of picturea that would be fine but capitalism sees a way to save a buck and people will die as a result.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Using llms for math questions is probably the worst usage for llms.

    And all of this is easily calculated without ai. You can literally google it and let google do the math for you without ai.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    I won't argue about the value of explanation from a lying hallucinating machine.

    But I like how your use case is "it does the things that I believe to be useless and time wasting for everyone involved. But instead of, pushing for the end of these time wasting acts, I waste a little less time with llms (instead of all of the time by not doing these time wasting acts) while still wasting the time of the reader." What an efficient use case! We should violate IP law, waste drinking water and energy for it!

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    The problem is many people liked how it was, it makes more work to do, makes it seem official. I believe in that book bullshit jobs, and think most people are winging it with performative bullshit.

    What I saw recently at my work is people received something that looked like AI slop from the head boss and they laughed about it, which got back to the boss, who then defended himself that it wasn't AI.

    So I'm hopeful that people are called out for wasting peoples time, and that long winded blobs of meaningless text become a firable offense.

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  • [+] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)
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    Thats well put, I'm under no naive assumption that LLMs are AI. Though I do think youre discounting the usefulness, as it did give the right answer, which is a fine use for average people doing basic math or whatever project theyre working on. I'm under no delusion that its replacing workers, unless someones job is writing fancy emails or building spreadsheets, and I do still think its a massive bubble.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    r/confidentlyincorrect

    The G means Generative

    The P means Pre-trained.

    The T means Transformer.

    It is not learning directly from its users, although the planned state-full amazon infrastructure will likely change thos.

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