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[–] 151 points 1 year ago (60 children)

These complete morons will not have food if these people do not pick the food.

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  • [–] 84 points 1 year ago (47 children)

    Gaza is the testing grounds for what life is about to be like in the West. Starvation will be used as a weapon eventually, and who's gonna stop them?

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    who’s gonna stop them?

    I guess we'll be finding out in LA.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I believe the front will be a little Bigger then just LA after a few days.

    There are nationwide protests planed on the fascists bday and he already promised to send the military to any form of protest.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I believe the front will be a little Bigger then just LA after a few days.

    People have been looking for a place to focus their energy. 6 months of feeling completely on our heals because Democrats chose a strategy of curl up and die.

    People are hungry for action, and these kinds of events exponentiate organizing.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I don't know, we had a huge protest in my city a few months ago (made the front page of the NYT), but every subsequent attempt to organize has been disappointingly small. I hope this Saturday creates momentum but I worry people will check off the "resistance" box and go back home. We'll see what happens! 🤞 Actual concrete events happening in LA may enliven people.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    I'll believe it when I see it. Police could bomb their own cities with plastic explosives and Americans won't do anything about it.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I wonder how many mid-50s or older Americans are on Lemmy?

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    Hey, I have a little grey in my beard!

    As someone who was only just alive in 1985 though, I'm curious where you were in the US in 1985 and if you remember how big or widespread the news coverage was on the MOVE bombing?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I was in H.S. in 85... I don't remember anything labeled MOVE bombing. Back then it was still big 3 networks for me, I had no cable. Everything was appointment TV including the news.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You didn't need to be alive when the MOVE bombing happened in order to know about it.

    We used to actually learn about shit like this sometimes in public schools...

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I mean its going to be streaming on all channels, all day today, tomorrow, and the especially Saturday.

    If you aren't seeing it, it might have more to do with where you are looking.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (25 children)

    They can't really do that in America, there's too much land and room and food. They could temporarily trap a population within a city by surrounding it with some barricades and stuff but that won't last long. The population size of the US has a massive ratio of more citizens than law enforcement and military. They can't take us all.

    For someone like me, if the food supplies were all cut off I could just live off of the land by hunting, fishing, and farming.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    They can't really do that in America, there's too much land and room and food.

    50% of the produce we consume is grown in the California central valley. The rest is grown in a few areas of the Great plains and in Florida.

    Most of the food you see growing anywhere else isn't for people, it's for livestock.

    For someone like me, if the food supplies were all cut off I could just live off of the land by hunting, fishing, and farming.

    I think you are overestimating just how much food "the land" can provide. You need around an acre a person for subsistence farming, and that is assuming you live in a region that has a decent climate, that you have irrigation, and have access to modern fertilizer and pesticides.

    As far as hunting and fishing goes..... If a large sector of the population had to live off the land, the wildlife likely wouldn't last a single season. The only reason we still have the wild animal populations we currently have is because there are strict regulations monitoring the amount of people who hunt and fish.

    Early Americans were able to devastate a larger healthier ecology with a tiny fraction of our current population. Most of our country's natural Forrest and woodland were already destroyed and artificially rehabilitated over a hundred years ago. We have very few old growth Forrest for us to actually live off of.

    If it weren't for petrochemical fertilizer the natural nitrogen cycle wouldn't be enough to sustain our current population. Since the invention of the haber process in the 1930s we are all just a bad year away from food insecurity.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I'm not sure they could control the means of production here.

    You don't think a military force could control the supply line of some farmers? Most of which are already owned by large conglomerates that would gladly follow the orders of the government.....

    A lot of it is in and around areas that arent ideal terrain for fighting on their side.

    Have you been to the central valley? It's just large open fields and orchards surrounded by gentle rolling hills, it's not the fucking korengal valley my dude.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    and around

    Unless they're airlifting it all out. In which case it still has to fly over terrain that's not to their advantage. And we also make the missiles here.

    The best option for them would be the port of oakland. Theres lots of shitty tech bros there, but you still see tributes to the best and best dressed mlm's to ever pick up a rifle, some of whom are, while far past fighting age, still kicking around a dense high tech city-and this would be for their food supply line, so it wouldn't exactly be possible to starve them out.

    owned by

    The farms are all staffed by people who hate them. Every single one, not just here but especially here. Even the small/mid sized farmers-and i have talked to them-hate this shit, or are literally beibg chased out of the fields, literally as i type this. The logistics lines are disproportionately worked by those same people.

    Maybe they could get corn and wheat.

    Or maybe you could get marines to pick apples, if you didnt give a single shit about the morale of your troops, health of your trees, abysmal recruiting numbers, already too-small military...

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Unless they're airlifting it all out. In which case it still has to fly over terrain that's not to their advantage.

    Why would they have to fly anything out of the valley? If the military is able to secure supply lines in war zones that have more than small arms resistance I don't think it's going to be a challenge to secure them in Cali.

    we also make the missiles here.

    Who's we? It's not like the entire country is going to support a rebellion, especially not anyone in the military industrial complex. Even if you have missiles, you don't have the weapons platforms or even know how to operate them.

    The best option for them would be the port of oakland. Theres lots of shitty tech bros there, but you still see tributes to the best and best dressed mlm's to ever pick up a rifle, some of whom are, while far past fighting age, still kicking around a dense high tech city-and this would be for their food supply line, so it wouldn't exactly be possible to starve them out.

    What are you talking about? Why would food have to go to Oakland? You don't ship food from California to the rest of the country on boats.... Nor are some old dudes with small arms going to be able to do anything to military convoy.

    The farms are all staffed by people who hate them. Every single one, not just here but especially here. Even the small/mid sized farmers-and i have talked to them-hate this shit, or are literally beibg chased out of the fields, literally as i type this. The logistics lines are disproportionately worked by those same people.

    Work gangs, prison labour, political prisoners, hungry people willing to capitulate to feed their families.....you know the same thing that has happened throughout history. Plus, there's plenty of conservative chuds in the valley.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    i visited the foothills once

    I have lived all over the state. I know it pretty well. I don't think you do.

    logistics are hard

    Yeah. That's what i said. I didn't say we would stay healthy, i said they couldn't starve the people without going hungry themselves. Im sure they could just burn it all. Might not even take two people, with enough gear. It is that season, after all.

    chuds

    Yeah they own stuff. But i buy my groceries from these peoples' families, and they arent all cool with this. Also, fuck who owns it, who do you think does the labor?

    the panthers didnt

    No. But you just kind of ignored everything i said so you could say something technically true and put it where a response to me would go.

    aircraft carriers

    Don't get me started.

    projecting

    So i got you?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I'd be careful with that last point - when a modern people is suddenly forced to turn to the land for sustenance instead of the industrial supply chain, overfishing and overhunting become problems quickly...you won't be the only person out looking for a meal.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well at least our animal ecosystems are currently robust and thriving, right??

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    For someone like me, if the food supplies were all cut off I could just live off of the land by hunting, fishing, and farming.

    A government that is willing to cut off food supplies, isn't likely to allow people the freedom to farm, fish or hunt.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    First of all, I don't ask for permission, I do what I want. Freedom can be enforced by the will of the individual.

    Secondly, you may be failing to grasp the scope of the American landscape and how difficult it would be to monitor forests, lakes, and rivers.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They could temporarily trap a population within a city by surrounding it with some barricades and stuff but that won’t last long.

    Why wouldn't it last long? Is there some sort of organized fighting force of the people we're not aware of? Didn't think so.

    The population size of the US has a massive ratio of more citizens than law enforcement and military. They can’t take us all.

    Yet they already are.

    For someone like me, if the food supplies were all cut off I could just live off of the land by hunting, fishing, and farming.

    Ah yes, the government has famously left people like you alone and totally won't turn your land into gravel, drain your water table, and dump the pollution into your river.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    No but see i can just pay more and have food.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    How much does an ICE agent make?

    Does a government job pay well enough that they can afford their grocery bill doubling? I have a government job, and I’m thinking of leaving to start my own thing, because I can anticipate that we’re not going to be able to afford to eat for much longer. The selection of produce in stores is already getting worse.

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