Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728

Ahoy mateys!

A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. ....

More context

Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. ...

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

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[–] 31 points 8 months ago (20 children)

Seriously, imagine typing "there is often only 'anti genocide and pro genocide' in online discussions" and thinking "yes, I will post this and look like a very good and moral person". Yes, if you're not against genocide you're for genocide. Yes, if you think supporting the resistance to genocide is antisemitic, you are a genocidal zionist. This type of "nuanced" "anti-zionism" (liberal zionism) is also widespread on feddit.org.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    By fucking german law at that. And they enforce it too. Never again, as defined by nihlists with no soul serving the plutocracy while the far right takes their country from them and fixes elections while they are busy surrendering their people to tech.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (17 children)

    What I think they meant was that people here only think about the genocide and thus declare the perpetrators evil (which they are) and the victims the good guys (hamas are not).

    One side's atrocities don't justify the other side's. Excusing your own group's actions because they're the good guys is far right thinking.

    In reality there's more factors to this than just the genocide, and both hamas and israel are the bad guys in their own way. One is just worse than the other, but that doesn't make the other good.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago* (16 children)

    declare the perpetrators evil (which they are)

    Correct.

    and the victims the good guys (hamas are not)

    You're wrong, Hamas are in fact "the good guys" in this conflict. The resistance to the genocidal settler state are good even if they don't measure up to whatever arbitrary standard of perfection you have in mind.

    One side’s atrocities don’t justify the other side’s. Excusing your own group’s actions because they’re the good guys is far right thinking.

    Bullshit framing designed to try to equate between the invading settler state (with overwhelming firepower) and the (often barely adult) native resistance just trying to survive and protect their homes.

    In reality there’s more factors to this than just the genocide, and both hamas and israel are the bad guys in their own way. One is just worse than the other, but that doesn’t make the other good.

    "Hemming and hawing over genocide is disgusting."

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    You’re wrong, Hamas are in fact “the good guys” in this conflict.

    The world will be better when humans will be able to escape this manichean thinking.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Resistance to genocide is the correct position to take.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    "Hemming and hawing over genocide is disgusting."

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago* (4 children)

    You’re wrong, Hamas are in fact “the good guys” in this conflict.

    Wow. Well, thanks for openly admitting that one.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    What do you want, .ml tankies are what .ml tankies are.

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