▲ 216 ▼ Trans teen’s chess win in Germany prompts backlash (www.advocate.com) submitted 1 year ago by squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/lgbtq_plus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 49 comments fedilink hide all child comments Chess "is diverse and inclusive," the German Chess Federation said in rejecting calls for a ban on trans competitors.
[+] verdigris@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 year ago (5 children) How does a trans-woman's socialization compromise competitive integrity? That's an entirely internal problem, and it doesn't affect any other competitors. This is really just grabbing for any excuse to be transphobic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] verdigris@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago (3 children) No, it isn't. It's so women can enter the game without the pressure of going into a tournament setting mostly dominated by men. A trans-woman being in the women's tournament does not compromise that unless you don't think trans-woman are women. Being born male does not impact one's ability to compete in chess, just the accessibility of a competition dominated men. If you're already in the women's space, then that issue is entirely moot. A trans-woman faces the same social barrier to competing, and is entitled to the same protected space. The only argument against that is if you don't really think trans-woman are women. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] verdigris@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (2 children) I don't agree that that is the motivation. You're confusing cause and effect. The competition space is dominated by men because of social and cultural norms, which is why they made a women's division. It's not so there's "less pressure", it's so the entire top level of the competition isn't entirely men and there's actually a meaningful competition for both groups. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) How does anything you just said preclude trans-women in the women's division? Again, they have the same social and cultural barriers, and are entitled to the same space. The only reason to disagree, is if you don't believe they're women. If that's the case, say it with your chest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] verdigris@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago I'm glad you've decided the social experience of every trans-woman for her. That makes sense. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) How does anyone know what socialization I had? Also, why does it even matter? This just feels like grasping for straws. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] griff@lemmings.world 5 points 1 year ago also feels like grasping at straws men permalink fedilink source parent
[–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 year ago (5 children) How does a trans-woman's socialization compromise competitive integrity? That's an entirely internal problem, and it doesn't affect any other competitors. This is really just grabbing for any excuse to be transphobic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] verdigris@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago (3 children) No, it isn't. It's so women can enter the game without the pressure of going into a tournament setting mostly dominated by men. A trans-woman being in the women's tournament does not compromise that unless you don't think trans-woman are women. Being born male does not impact one's ability to compete in chess, just the accessibility of a competition dominated men. If you're already in the women's space, then that issue is entirely moot. A trans-woman faces the same social barrier to competing, and is entitled to the same protected space. The only argument against that is if you don't really think trans-woman are women. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] verdigris@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (2 children) I don't agree that that is the motivation. You're confusing cause and effect. The competition space is dominated by men because of social and cultural norms, which is why they made a women's division. It's not so there's "less pressure", it's so the entire top level of the competition isn't entirely men and there's actually a meaningful competition for both groups. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) How does anything you just said preclude trans-women in the women's division? Again, they have the same social and cultural barriers, and are entitled to the same space. The only reason to disagree, is if you don't believe they're women. If that's the case, say it with your chest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] verdigris@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago I'm glad you've decided the social experience of every trans-woman for her. That makes sense. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] verdigris@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago (3 children) No, it isn't. It's so women can enter the game without the pressure of going into a tournament setting mostly dominated by men. A trans-woman being in the women's tournament does not compromise that unless you don't think trans-woman are women. Being born male does not impact one's ability to compete in chess, just the accessibility of a competition dominated men. If you're already in the women's space, then that issue is entirely moot. A trans-woman faces the same social barrier to competing, and is entitled to the same protected space. The only argument against that is if you don't really think trans-woman are women. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] verdigris@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (2 children) I don't agree that that is the motivation. You're confusing cause and effect. The competition space is dominated by men because of social and cultural norms, which is why they made a women's division. It's not so there's "less pressure", it's so the entire top level of the competition isn't entirely men and there's actually a meaningful competition for both groups. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) How does anything you just said preclude trans-women in the women's division? Again, they have the same social and cultural barriers, and are entitled to the same space. The only reason to disagree, is if you don't believe they're women. If that's the case, say it with your chest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] verdigris@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago I'm glad you've decided the social experience of every trans-woman for her. That makes sense. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago (3 children) No, it isn't. It's so women can enter the game without the pressure of going into a tournament setting mostly dominated by men. A trans-woman being in the women's tournament does not compromise that unless you don't think trans-woman are women. Being born male does not impact one's ability to compete in chess, just the accessibility of a competition dominated men. If you're already in the women's space, then that issue is entirely moot. A trans-woman faces the same social barrier to competing, and is entitled to the same protected space. The only argument against that is if you don't really think trans-woman are women. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] verdigris@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (2 children) I don't agree that that is the motivation. You're confusing cause and effect. The competition space is dominated by men because of social and cultural norms, which is why they made a women's division. It's not so there's "less pressure", it's so the entire top level of the competition isn't entirely men and there's actually a meaningful competition for both groups. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) How does anything you just said preclude trans-women in the women's division? Again, they have the same social and cultural barriers, and are entitled to the same space. The only reason to disagree, is if you don't believe they're women. If that's the case, say it with your chest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] verdigris@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago I'm glad you've decided the social experience of every trans-woman for her. That makes sense. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] verdigris@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (2 children) I don't agree that that is the motivation. You're confusing cause and effect. The competition space is dominated by men because of social and cultural norms, which is why they made a women's division. It's not so there's "less pressure", it's so the entire top level of the competition isn't entirely men and there's actually a meaningful competition for both groups. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) How does anything you just said preclude trans-women in the women's division? Again, they have the same social and cultural barriers, and are entitled to the same space. The only reason to disagree, is if you don't believe they're women. If that's the case, say it with your chest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] verdigris@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago I'm glad you've decided the social experience of every trans-woman for her. That makes sense. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) How does anything you just said preclude trans-women in the women's division? Again, they have the same social and cultural barriers, and are entitled to the same space. The only reason to disagree, is if you don't believe they're women. If that's the case, say it with your chest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] verdigris@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago I'm glad you've decided the social experience of every trans-woman for her. That makes sense. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] verdigris@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago I'm glad you've decided the social experience of every trans-woman for her. That makes sense. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago I'm glad you've decided the social experience of every trans-woman for her. That makes sense. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) How does anyone know what socialization I had? Also, why does it even matter? This just feels like grasping for straws. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] griff@lemmings.world 5 points 1 year ago also feels like grasping at straws men permalink fedilink source parent
[–] griff@lemmings.world 5 points 1 year ago also feels like grasping at straws men permalink fedilink source parent